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At Vote: Political Parties Act - Tsunamy - 10-19-2016 So, as political parties don't seem to be going a way, I wanted to propose a way to codify them. More or less, I think this will give us a basis to start and a bit of a structure to ensure that the admins aren't creating dozens of forums than never get used. As such, I'm proposing the following: Quote: Thoughts? RE: Political Parties Act - Roavin - 10-19-2016 A few comments:
More later. RE: Political Parties Act - Tsunamy - 10-19-2016 (10-19-2016, 08:27 PM)Roavin Wrote: A few comments: In short, the goal was my legislation was made in an attempt to be flexible as to how political parties wish to set themselves up, but also to still provide enough of a structure so it's not anything goes. I'm happy to read particularities into the law, but lets remember that every party will have differences. RE: Political Parties Act - sandaoguo - 10-20-2016 I don't think the dissolution part should be in there at all, really. At the very least, parties shouldn't be required to run people in elections. That's not a real measure of activity, anyways, since 75% of the year there aren't any elections. TIL is more active on legislative matters than in elections. I'm also not so sure how a few of these provisions would be allowed under the Charter's protection of the right to assembly. Particularly anything requiring approval or dissolution, or in other words anything that would control the existence of a party itself. RE: Political Parties Act - Ryccia - 10-20-2016 I'm alright with this proposal. However, parties should not be required to provide candidates to elections. If we force them to do so, some future movements will go out, dissolved, because they could not provide candidates. RE: Political Parties Act - Belschaft - 10-20-2016 I'm not sure of the point or necessity of legislating for political parties - they're very much something that people can already set up, and have done so - but if people want to go down this route I'd like to see regulation of their activities, in particular a prohibition on the establishment of private TSP forums. RE: Political Parties Act - Tsunamy - 10-20-2016 (10-20-2016, 05:51 AM)sandaoguo Wrote: I don't think the dissolution part should be in there at all, really. At the very least, parties shouldn't be required to run people in elections. That's not a real measure of activity, anyways, since 75% of the year there aren't any elections. TIL is more active on legislative matters than in elections. (10-20-2016, 07:04 AM)Ryccia Wrote: I'm alright with this proposal. However, parties should not be required to provide candidates to elections. If we force them to do so, some future movements will go out, dissolved, because they could not provide candidates. I don't think asking ONE member of the party to run in ONE election a year is a poor gauge of minimal activity. If anything there should be much more. The reference to the slate of Cabinet elections isn't intended that they must be put forward, but to require a minimum membership — i.e. 4. (10-20-2016, 11:02 AM)Belschaft Wrote: I'm not sure of the point or necessity of legislating for political parties - they're very much something that people can already set up, and have done so - but if people want to go down this route I'd like to see regulation of their activities, in particular a prohibition on the establishment of private TSP forums. The idea is to build out an area for political parties — a public and private area for parties as they see fit. However, I don't want admins to be building out forums and forums for parties that no one uses. To Glen's other point — there's no reason why this should effect anything else, especially the Right to Assembly. You can assemble in a group — but you aren't entitled to the trappings of a political party (namely forums) without this. RE: Political Parties Act - Belschaft - 10-20-2016 (10-20-2016, 01:56 PM)Tsunamy Wrote:(10-20-2016, 11:02 AM)Belschaft Wrote: I'm not sure of the point or necessity of legislating for political parties - they're very much something that people can already set up, and have done so - but if people want to go down this route I'd like to see regulation of their activities, in particular a prohibition on the establishment of private TSP forums. I understand the idea, but if we're going to be organising parties on a formal basis I'd like to see them regulated, with prohibition of certain activities. I strongly disapprove of people setting up their own private "TSP" forums like TIL has, and I would like to see a ban on that as part of any legislation on political parties. RE: Political Parties Act - sandaoguo - 10-20-2016 Tsu, it's not always going to be the case that members of any particular party want to run for election. We have very uncompetitive elections with huge bias for incumbents. That already dampens participation. Combine that with the fact that most parties are only a handful of people, and it's likely you'd see an otherwise active party not field candidates at all. Some parties may not want to get involved in elections, and want to focus on the Assembly instead. That's how TIL initially formed. I can see regulating when a party qualifies for its own subforum. But I think any laws about when or how a party is allowed to exist, including telling people where they are and aren't allowed to talk, is a violation of the freedom of assembly. In fact, Bel's proposal for a ban on third party forums is not only contravening freedom of assembly and freedom of speech, it's a very obvious and transparent attack on The Island League. It's absurd and unenforceable, even if it wasn't totally unconstitutional. RE: Political Parties Act - Belschaft - 10-20-2016 I'm not sure how prohibiting people from creating their own, alternative "TSP" forums is a contravention of either free assembly or free speech. I'm also surprised at your change of mind, considering how you responded to other people creating their own forum for TSP in the past. |