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The Democratic Alliance of the South Pacific (DASP) - Kozeposlavia - 05-01-2014
Welcome to the headquarters for the Democratic Alliance of the South Pacific! As an alliance made up of citizens who fight for the freedom of the average person, we espouse, protect, and further the cause of liberty, democracy, and egalitarianism, as set forth by great writers and philosophers such as Thomas Jefferson, Albert Einstein, and Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
Our Platform -
We support the expansion of citizen's power via a direct democracy as opposed to the representative one we have at the moment. We believe that in lieu of elected minister, citizens should be able to join committees to agree upon and decide the course of action for the future of the South Pacific. Ministers and delegates stand to only hamper the will of the people, and only the people truly know what they want. The people should have the power.
Some of what the alliance stands for:
- The abolition of all political positions aside from Minister of the Army.
- The establishment of citizen committees with 3 rotating members each to succeed the offices of Ministers.
- The expansion of the power of the citizen.
- Placement of the Minister of Army as delegate.
- Reevaluation of the role of Minister of Army to have no power other than to protect the region from outside threats or coups, or attack an enemy under command of the people.
- Placement of the Minister of Army under the direct command of the people.
- Recognition of Fascist, Nazi, Imperialist, and Raider regions as inherent enemies of the South Pacific.
Government of the Alliance:
Director Governor: The United Communist Solar Republic
Deputy Governor:
Director of Internal Affairs: The United Communist Solar Republic
Secretary of External Affairs:
Director of News and Media: The United Communist Solar Republic
RE: The Communist Alliance of the South Pacific (CPSP) - Kozeposlavia - 05-01-2014
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RE: The Communist Alliance of the South Pacific (CPSP) - The Union of Free Individuals - 05-02-2014
I am politically apposed to this.
Direct democracy leads to mob rule, an unstable government system as any. Through the natural course of human nature, a strong figure with great force of personality will tend to rise above the populace, becoming a demagogue and dictator.
RE: The Communist Alliance of the South Pacific (CPSP) - Kozeposlavia - 05-02-2014
(05-02-2014, 03:42 AM)The Union of Free Individuals Wrote: I am politically apposed to this.
Direct democracy leads to mob rule, an unstable government system as any. Through the natural course of human nature, a strong figure with great force of personality will tend to rise above the populace, becoming a demagogue and dictator.
Not necessarily. It worked for the Athenians more or less, and anyway, mob rule could happen anywhere. As for the dictator part, I have no idea where that comes from, but there would still be a form of authority (Committees of 3 rotating members). Also the whole dictator thing could be averted by not having any delegate or other such position. In fact, a demagouge or dictator is more likely given our current form of government as compared to a citizen ruled government.
RE: The Communist Alliance of the South Pacific (CPSP) - Kris Kringle - 05-02-2014
(05-02-2014, 10:46 AM)TheUnitedSolarRepublic Wrote: Also the whole dictator thing could be averted by not having any delegate or other such position. In fact, a demagouge or dictator is more likely given our current form of government as compared to a citizen ruled government.
1. There will always be an in game delegate, so you can't just abolish the position.
2. How is a dictator more likely under our current collective executive system? And how have you determined that our current government is not "citizen-ruled"?
RE: The Communist Alliance of the South Pacific (CPSP) - God-Emperor - 05-02-2014
In fairness, TSP is closer to a citizen ruled government than TEP, for example, where citizens must apply to the legislative body, and any citizen may be denied by same, even though any denial can be overruled by the citizenry.
RE: The Communist Alliance of the South Pacific (CPSP) - Ryccia - 05-02-2014
TSPLCP opposes this and seeks this party to be dissolved. If I reach at least 20 signatures for the party's dissolution, the party will be dissolved. If one person secretly wins the elections, then it will be Milograd Dictatorship all over again! And I don't want that to happen again!
I do not oppose freedom of speech, but we all know what's happening/what happened to the communist nations of the world. In the USSR, protests against the communist regime occured in 1991 and the USSR was dissolved. Yugoslavia had a civil war, in Romania, Nicolae, the communist dictator, was executed and in North Korea, a great famine of food and CIVIL RIGHTS AND FREEDOM is happening. In China, Tibet was invaded and oppresed by Mao Zedong's regime and restrictions about what you should do are established. And worst of all, the people are poor and have been forced to move to the coastal metropolises by their economical problems. But in Taiwan and South Korea(plus Japan) are good. So, deal with it. I would also like to point that when I see that communist sign above, all I see is terror and sadness.
RE: The Communist Alliance of the South Pacific (CPSP) - Kozeposlavia - 05-02-2014
(05-02-2014, 11:58 AM)Kris Kringle Wrote:(05-02-2014, 10:46 AM)TheUnitedSolarRepublic Wrote: Also the whole dictator thing could be averted by not having any delegate or other such position. In fact, a demagouge or dictator is more likely given our current form of government as compared to a citizen ruled government.
1. There will always be an in game delegate, so you can't just abolish the position.
2. How is a dictator more likely under our current collective executive system? And how have you determined that our current government is not "citizen-ruled"?
1. By abolishing the delegate position I am not saying we have to remove the in game delegate. We should abolish the position of delegate as the ultimate head of the South Pacific, which the job description at the moment entails. The in game delegate should be the Minister of Army, who would be elected and who's only duty would be to follow the command of the people and serve as a bulwark against raiders/coupers.
2. You misunderstand. I do not say that out current government is not citizen ruled. Our current government is in a sense a representative democracy, where we elect ministers to positions to fulfill obligations regarding certain subjects. I am advocating for a direct democracy, where the people fulfill obligations regarding certain subjects in lieu of Ministers or delegates.
(05-02-2014, 01:00 PM)God-Emperor Wrote: In fairness, TSP is closer to a citizen ruled government than TEP, for example, where citizens must apply to the legislative body, and any citizen may be denied by same, even though any denial can be overruled by the citizenry.
It is of course, but why not take that democracy further? Why not become a benchmark of democracy for the NationStates community, an example of the greatness of democracy? This is what the party aims to achieve. This is what I am to achieve.
(05-02-2014, 04:12 PM)Ryccia Wrote: TSPLCP opposes this and seeks this party to be dissolved. If I reach at least 20 signatures for the party's dissolution, the party will be dissolved.
It dissolves if I decide it dissolves. It does not dissolve before that.
(05-02-2014, 04:12 PM)Ryccia Wrote: If one person secretly wins the elections, then it will be Milograd Dictatorship all over again! And I don't want that to happen again!
First off, no one can secretly win an election. Secondly, I strongly opposed Milograd during his reign and even fought against him as part of the UDL. We as a party strongly oppose all form of authoritarianism and autocracy, and we would never instill a dictatorship. If you had actually decided to read the party's platform before posting this severely misguided and uninformed comment, you would know we only want to increase any and all forms of democracy and have set up a plan to do that.
(05-02-2014, 04:12 PM)Ryccia Wrote: I do not oppose freedom of speech, but we all know what's happening/what happened to the communist nations of the world. In the USSR, protests against the communist regime occured in 1991 and the USSR was dissolved. Yugoslavia had a civil war, in Romania, Nicolae, the communist dictator, was executed and in North Korea, a great famine of food and CIVIL RIGHTS AND FREEDOM is happening. In China, Tibet was invaded and oppresed by Mao Zedong's regime and restrictions about what you should do are established. And worst of all, the people are poor and have been forced to move to the coastal metropolises by their economical problems.
USSR, Romania, and China aren't communist/socialist, they are either Capitalist or State Capitalist. North Korea doesn't even claim to be communist. Yugoslavia only had a civil war due to ethnic violence, and didn't even claim to be communist either. All of these countries were totalitarian or autocratic dictatorships and have no bearing on this party. This point is moot.
(05-02-2014, 04:12 PM)Ryccia Wrote: But in Taiwan and South Korea(plus Japan) are good. So, deal with it.
Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan are having some serious issues right now, and are not amazing bastions of freedom you imply here. And I'm not sure what I should deal with.
PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BEFORE RESPONDING READ OUT PLATFORM.
RE: The Communist Alliance of the South Pacific (CPSP) - God-Emperor - 05-02-2014
I read it. It's interestin' how ya advocate for abolishin' all ministries 'cept for the Ministry Of The Army...And immediately establish three within your own party.
RE: The Communist Alliance of the South Pacific (CPSP) - Kozeposlavia - 05-02-2014
(05-02-2014, 04:56 PM)God-Emperor Wrote: I read it. It's interestin' how ya advocate for abolishin' all ministries 'cept for the Ministry Of The Army...And immediately establish three within your own party.
The Government of the Alliance is the government of the party, not a proposed government of the South Pacific. Every party has it's own internal system.