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A non-ridiculous voting methodology for Delegate - sandaoguo - 01-08-2017
Frankly, there's no such thing as "running IRV until we have two people left." IRV is a voting system for single-winner elections. The forum Delegate election is a ranked ballot with two winners. That's called ranked choice voting. This is how it works: http://www.fairvote.org/multi_winner_rcv_example
When I vote for our Delegate selections on the forum, I'm voting for two people to send to the gameside. Not just one person. If not, then there was no point in moving to preferential voting in the first place. But as it stands, if my first preferred choice wins the first round, the rest of my ballot is thrown out. That's not acceptable. I write my ballot with two spots in mind, not just one!
I propose we amend the Elections Act to use STV, which is an actual multiple-winner system:
Quote:c. The two candidates ranked first and second under IRV elected under a single transferable vote ballot will move to a second round of voting conducted via a poll of Native World Assembly members.
There are many online ballot counters for STV. I like this one, personally: http://paul-lockett.co.uk/stv.html
RE: A non-ridiculous voting methodology for Delegate - Ryccia - 01-08-2017
Full support. I love STV.
RE: A non-ridiculous voting methodology for Delegate - Rikutso - 01-08-2017
I have watched a basic video of how STV works, and I am all completely for it. Count me as a supporter of this amendment.
RE: A non-ridiculous voting methodology for Delegate - QuietDad - 01-09-2017
All for it
RE: A non-ridiculous voting methodology for Delegate - Belschaft - 01-09-2017
The problem with this argument is that the Delegate election is not a multi-winner election - at the end of the process, there will be exactly one Delegate. It is a multi-stage election, where two separate groups of voters are balloted; legislators to reduce the number of candidates to two, and the regional WA members to decide the final winner.
The decision to use a modified version of IRV was intentional, with the objective of preventing what Glen wants to occur; those people who voted for the first ranked candidate also being involved in deciding who the second ranked candidate is. My thought process, and it's a simple one, is that if we are conducting a primary election to decide which two candidates are in the general election then the same group of voters shouldn't get to choose both candidates.
It seems, to my own view, a fundamentally obvious proposition that everyone should get the same number of votes. The fact that one of my preferred candidates, Tsu, is ranked first should not allow myself and everyone else who supports Tsu to now vote for another of our preferred candidates.
RE: A non-ridiculous voting methodology for Delegate - sandaoguo - 01-09-2017
Two people are chosen at the forum election. That's multi-winner. Moving to a multi-winner election system is a no-brainer.
If we want a system where the top two are the least similar candidates, then we can go back to a simple plurality.
RE: A non-ridiculous voting methodology for Delegate - Belschaft - 01-09-2017
Or we can use a system that doesn't discourage more than two-candidates (like plurality does) whilst at the same time recognising that people should only get to vote once.
RE: A non-ridiculous voting methodology for Delegate - Tsunamy - 01-09-2017
I think we should go with the STV, even if people's votes can be counted more than once.
Personally, I'd suggest we let each person have two votes toward the final ballot, if we're not doing FPTP.
RE: A non-ridiculous voting methodology for Delegate - Belschaft - 01-09-2017
Having spent the last hour doing maths based on the current public vote, the version of STV Glen has proposed produces a similar result to my IRV system; Zak and Tsu are selected as the candidates for the general election, rather than Tsu and Zak.
RE: A non-ridiculous voting methodology for Delegate - Griffindor - 01-10-2017
Why are we dealing with this right now IN an election. We have had 6 months since the last delegate election to work the system out, and we will have 6 more till the next one.