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RE: [DRAFT] Separation of Powers - Belschaft - 02-06-2017
I'd be happy to look at specific pairings of roles that can't be combined, rather than blanket prohibitions.
RE: [DRAFT] Separation of Powers - Roavin - 02-06-2017
(02-06-2017, 10:22 AM)sandaoguo Wrote: I do think there's merit to the idea that Chair is an apolitical role and should probably be exempt. Are you proposing a more case-by-case approach in general, though?
I'm at work (and shouldn't be checking into the TSP forums <.<), so I've not been able to fully commit my brain to it. But yes - I think a case-by-case approach would be better. To avoid doing these for potentially 56 different combinations, this could be done by splitting the positions we have into different "classifications", and disallowing holding two positions that share a classification (the cabinet ministers would be one such classification, obviously).
The LC is hard to define in this setup though, especially since we're likely to be tweaking it in the future and we aren't really all in agreement on what it really is anyway (political? apolitical? administrative? or maybe not the forum government's decision what it is in the first place? etc.)
RE: [DRAFT] Separation of Powers - Omega - 02-06-2017
One final question: would leadership from parties be barred from holding political office?
RE: [DRAFT] Separation of Powers - Belschaft - 02-06-2017
Political Parties aren't part of the government, so no.
RE: [DRAFT] Separation of Powers - Roavin - 02-07-2017
Well, let's approach this methodically with a matrix. I've marked red what should be restricted and green what shouldn't be restricted, and there's a bunch of white space we still need to talk about.
Let's discuss this. CoA? Delegate? LC?
[DRAFT] Separation of Powers - sandaoguo - 02-07-2017
I'm... not comfortable at all with people holding multiple positions in TSP at all. We have enough problems getting new people involved, and of course concentration of power poses a risk no matter what positions we're talking about.
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RE: [DRAFT] Separation of Powers - Roavin - 02-07-2017
(02-07-2017, 10:37 AM)sandaoguo Wrote: I'm... not comfortable at all with people holding multiple positions in TSP at all. We have enough problems getting new people involved, and of course concentration of power poses a risk no matter what positions we're talking about.
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That's a legitimate argument, though you yourself stated that you "do think there's merit to the idea that Chair is an apolitical role and should probably be exempt". If that's what we end up with, then all good - but the current draft doesn't reflect that.
Or were you talking about exempting the Chair of Assembly from clause 7.6 only?
RE: [DRAFT] Separation of Powers - Belschaft - 02-07-2017
I think the best approach may be to look at this in terms of branches of government; a prohibition on anyone in TSP's executive branch holding an equivalent post elsewhere, but no restrictions on them serving in a foreign judiciary or legislature.
[DRAFT] Separation of Powers - sandaoguo - 02-07-2017
When I say exempt, I mean I'm amenable to somebody serving as Chair here and Delegate in TNP. Not that I'm cool with somebody serving as Chair and Prime Minister :/
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RE: [DRAFT] Separation of Powers - Roavin - 02-07-2017
Ah.
Personally, I'd like to see our Delegate role restricted even more, and then allow the Delegate to do other offices as they see fit. That's locally.
For foreign entanglements, I think it would be reasonable to restrict dual equivalent cabinet offices - so you can't be MoFA in TSP and somewhere else simultaneously, for example!
Any other suggestions? I'll make a new matrix later.