At Vote: Treaties Act |
Given the results of the last competing bills vote, it's clear neither has the required support to pass even alone. That's because both are being proposed as Charter amendments, which require a supermajority. After some research, it's my judgement that it's not actually necessary to amend the Charter to solve this issue, or make this a constitutional matter at all. By writing a general law, we only need a simple majority to pass a bill. This will end the gridlock on this issue, one way or another, because both at least had majority support on the last vote.
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I think this is a much more elegant solution to the problem at hand and you've laid our a variety of different reasons for treaty dissolution with, I believe, reasonable responses to each, including situations where it would be entirely appropriate for the Assembly to have a full vote on the matter.
I'm sure there are areas for disagreement and revision, so I very much doubt I'm looking at the absolute, final version, but what I see here removes much of the uncertainty I felt in the previous conflicting legislation and I would be willing to give it my full support. Founder of the Church of the South Pacific [Forum Thread] [Discord], a safe place to discuss spirituality for people of all faiths and none (currently looking for those interested in prayer and/or "home" groups);
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As this is a continuation of a previous debate as soon as we have a motion and second I can bring this to vote.
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This proposed act addresses all my concerns with the previously proposed legislation, and broadly reflects the principles and intent of the version drafted by DM and myself. As such I'm willing to withdraw that version and sign on to this one, assuming that DM has no issues with doing so.
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I see intelligence on this proposal.
According to my logic, this is a compromise of sorts. This is a compromise that keeps both groups happy. Full support, Glen. Full support
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(10-16-2016, 03:07 PM)Belschaft Wrote: This proposed act addresses all my concerns with the previously proposed legislation, and broadly reflects the principles and intent of the version drafted by DM and myself. As such I'm willing to withdraw that version and sign on to this one, assuming that DM has no issues with doing so. Aye. I agree as well that this version looks much better. Full Support. Semi-Unretired
A succinct and relatively simple solution to the treaty debacle, support.
Debate for months and then Glen just whips out this beauty.
Very fond of this version - it addresses the concerns of the Awe/Tsu version, presents a better compromise than the Bel/DM version, and is just generally done beautifully. Motion to vote.
Since we all seem to be on the same, beautiful page on this: Second.
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Quote:(1) A treaty will be dissolved if the Cabinet reports to the Assembly that a signatory to the treaty has violated its terms. The dissolution report must include detailed evidence, which will be up for a commenting period in the Assembly for one week before the dissolution is legally binding. I have two points on this. First, what happens if the Cabinet disagrees on whether a signatory to the treaty has violated its terms? Does the cabinet have to unanimously agree that the terms have been violated? The charter says unanimous approval is necessary for executive orders, but I don't know if dissolving a treaty counts as an executive order if we establish an instrument for it. Second, I'm confused about the function, or lack thereof, of the commenting period. It's common diplomatic practice to have a buffer period before a treaty is officially dissolved. Is the period before the dissolution is "legally binding" a nod to that practice, or an allowance for the Cabinet to retract their dissolution? One interpretation of this act's writing is that we can abort the dissolution process, while another is that the week-long delay of dissolution is just common diplomatic/logistical courtesy. I think this section of the act demands more clarity before we vote on it. |
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