We've moved, ! Update your bookmarks to https://thesouthpacific.org! These forums are being archived.

Dismiss this notice
See LegComm's announcement to make sure you're still a legislator on the new forums!

CSS Recall of Sam111
#41

I will finish my participation here, as I should have several posts ago, by saying it is a very serious mistake for this Assembly to act like nothing happened with people like SJS Republic and Imkitopia, when they have not had the decency to explain themselves to the region. This was a coup, and its gravity is not measured by how many nations were ejected or how long it lasted. They attempted to overthrow the government. They ejected nations. Serious enough.

We do no service to our democracy and institutionality when we treat coupers like nothing happened, because something did happen. They breached the trust of an entire region. Nobody in the Cabinet was stupid to not understand the full implications of their actions. They knew what they were doing and decided to go through with it anyway. But even then, we extended an olive branch in the form of a conditional amnesty. They would not be prosecuted if they admitted to their role in the coup, and even that they have not done.

We need to be honest here. Reconciliation is not ignoring the seriousness of a coup and acting like we can all get along in the future. That insults the actions of those who fought the coup and ignores the plight of those who did get ejected. Reconciliation means coming to terms with what happened and addressing its causes, without legitimising the actions taken by the offenders.

Trying to dissolve the government and eject political opponents is not a legitimate tactic, it's not the sign of a political crisis. It is a coup, plain and simple. It is perfectly valid to discuss what caused the coup and how we can avoid making those mistakes in the future. It is not valid by any stretch of imagination to act like this was not a coup, or treat unrepentant participants as if they did nothing wrong.

Reconciliation works both ways. If we are willing to recognise that we made mistakes as a region and as institutions, they too must be willing to recognise they made mistake. Letting them walk free without demanding that means we lower the cost of putting our democracy at risk. There is not disincentive to couping at the personal level, because you can be forgiven if enough people like you. There is no disincentive to couping at the institutional level, because we rate the seriousness of coups based on how many, of which, nations were ejected.

Couping is serious business, much different from any other crime, and should be treated accordingly. Being so lenient towards someone who has not expressed remorse for couping is not good. I don't really believe that SJS Republic will abuse his border control power the moment he gets it back, but that doesn't meant he should get it back either. This sets the precedent that couping is no big deal, that you can politicise your way out of any repercussions. We have already lowered the requirement down from parole from a treason ban to simply asking an acknowledgement of culpability. That is a huge compromise on our part. Is it not time they did their part too?
Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator.
I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum.

Legal Resources:
THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System


Messages In This Thread
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-01-2016, 07:22 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Cormac - 03-01-2016, 07:29 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-01-2016, 09:06 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Belschaft - 03-01-2016, 09:11 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Cormac - 03-01-2016, 09:52 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-02-2016, 03:47 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Cormac - 03-02-2016, 09:59 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-02-2016, 06:08 AM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-02-2016, 08:55 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-02-2016, 11:19 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-02-2016, 11:40 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Awe - 03-02-2016, 11:40 AM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-02-2016, 11:41 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-02-2016, 11:51 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-02-2016, 11:55 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-02-2016, 11:54 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Cormac - 03-02-2016, 11:57 AM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-02-2016, 11:59 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Belschaft - 03-02-2016, 01:05 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-02-2016, 01:09 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-02-2016, 01:15 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-02-2016, 01:19 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-02-2016, 01:21 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-02-2016, 01:43 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Eluvatar - 03-02-2016, 02:02 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-02-2016, 02:20 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by HEM - 03-02-2016, 06:07 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Lord Ravenclaw - 03-02-2016, 09:29 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-02-2016, 09:55 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-04-2016, 01:37 AM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-04-2016, 01:40 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-04-2016, 01:45 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-04-2016, 01:47 AM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-04-2016, 01:50 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-04-2016, 01:52 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Resentine - 03-04-2016, 01:55 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-04-2016, 01:59 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Resentine - 03-04-2016, 02:03 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-04-2016, 02:05 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-04-2016, 02:18 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-04-2016, 02:51 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Zak6858 - 03-04-2016, 03:39 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Punchwood - 03-04-2016, 01:12 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-04-2016, 03:51 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Belschaft - 03-04-2016, 10:12 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-04-2016, 10:15 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-04-2016, 10:15 AM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-04-2016, 10:20 AM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-04-2016, 10:22 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-04-2016, 11:52 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by HEM - 03-04-2016, 01:20 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Farengeto - 03-04-2016, 01:35 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-04-2016, 07:09 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Belschaft - 03-04-2016, 01:59 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Drugged Monkeys - 03-04-2016, 02:00 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-04-2016, 02:10 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Belschaft - 03-04-2016, 02:17 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-04-2016, 02:25 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Belschaft - 03-04-2016, 02:38 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-04-2016, 02:39 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-04-2016, 04:16 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-04-2016, 04:31 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Belschaft - 03-04-2016, 07:53 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-04-2016, 09:35 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Belschaft - 03-04-2016, 09:53 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-05-2016, 02:55 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-04-2016, 10:11 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-05-2016, 05:22 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Zak6858 - 03-05-2016, 06:15 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-05-2016, 06:17 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-05-2016, 06:26 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by rhinotaz - 03-05-2016, 06:40 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Zak6858 - 03-05-2016, 06:42 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-05-2016, 06:46 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-05-2016, 07:04 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-05-2016, 07:08 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-05-2016, 07:11 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Malashaan - 03-06-2016, 07:13 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-06-2016, 08:16 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-06-2016, 09:15 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-06-2016, 09:22 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-06-2016, 09:27 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Cormac - 03-07-2016, 04:19 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-07-2016, 12:09 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-06-2016, 09:50 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-06-2016, 11:43 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-06-2016, 11:48 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Awe - 03-07-2016, 12:26 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Sam111 - 03-07-2016, 08:51 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-07-2016, 10:07 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by fmastr - 03-07-2016, 10:31 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Siberian - 03-07-2016, 10:19 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Sam111 - 03-07-2016, 10:19 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Drugged Monkeys - 03-07-2016, 10:27 AM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-07-2016, 12:07 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-07-2016, 12:11 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by fmastr - 03-07-2016, 12:43 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-07-2016, 12:47 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by fmastr - 03-07-2016, 12:53 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-07-2016, 01:42 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by fmastr - 03-07-2016, 02:21 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-07-2016, 12:28 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Belschaft - 03-07-2016, 12:32 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-07-2016, 12:42 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by fmastr - 03-07-2016, 12:49 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-07-2016, 12:54 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by fmastr - 03-07-2016, 02:16 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-07-2016, 02:22 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-07-2016, 02:32 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by fmastr - 03-07-2016, 02:47 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by fmastr - 03-07-2016, 03:04 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Belschaft - 03-07-2016, 02:41 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-07-2016, 02:56 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-07-2016, 03:14 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-07-2016, 05:11 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-07-2016, 03:36 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Belschaft - 03-07-2016, 04:09 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-07-2016, 04:15 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Belschaft - 03-07-2016, 04:18 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-07-2016, 05:48 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-07-2016, 04:28 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Zak6858 - 03-07-2016, 04:47 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-07-2016, 05:00 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-07-2016, 05:07 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Resentine - 03-07-2016, 05:09 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-07-2016, 05:24 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-07-2016, 05:41 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-07-2016, 05:26 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-07-2016, 05:43 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Wolf - 03-07-2016, 05:47 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by rhinotaz - 03-07-2016, 05:53 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-07-2016, 06:04 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-07-2016, 06:14 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-07-2016, 06:46 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-07-2016, 07:11 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-07-2016, 07:16 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Punchwood - 03-07-2016, 07:17 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-07-2016, 07:20 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Punchwood - 03-07-2016, 07:31 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Kris Kringle - 03-07-2016, 07:20 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-07-2016, 07:21 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-07-2016, 07:23 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-07-2016, 07:32 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by The Serres Republic - 03-07-2016, 07:34 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Awe - 03-07-2016, 11:18 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Cormac - 03-11-2016, 07:35 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-12-2016, 05:29 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by ProfessorHenn - 03-12-2016, 05:37 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by HEM - 03-16-2016, 06:02 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Punchwood - 03-27-2016, 04:21 PM
CSS Recall of Sam111 - by sandaoguo - 03-28-2016, 03:59 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Tsunamy - 03-28-2016, 04:04 PM
RE: CSS Recall of Sam111 - by Awe - 04-02-2016, 12:40 PM



Users browsing this thread:
1 Guest(s)





Theme © iAndrew 2018 Forum software by © MyBB .