I've decided to leave this conversation there is no point in debating as none of you are even willing to listen to my arguments. Vote for Sanders for all the good it will do for you, he won't be the nominee. If he's lucky Clinton will give him a Cabinet role. Continue to believe a 74 year old (75 when the actual election is), socialist can bring Universal Health Care, free Universities, equal pay, maternity leave, a $15 minimum wage in just 4 years without huge rises in taxes, the deficit rising the rich flocking out in their droves along with business HQs, without millions of jobs being lost, and business going bust.

I support all those ideas but they cannot be done in 4 years and the damage that would do to the US economy would be huge. That's why I support Clinton she offers compromise. A rise in the minimum wage, making it easier for students to go to collage, expanding Medicaid, she supports equal pay and maternity leave. Yet she does it in a way that won't destroy the economy and will not enrage Republicans quite as much. I support everything Sanders stands for I believe in everything I listed however I recognise that it can't be done in just 4 or even 8 years time and having all of that "free" stuff will cost a hell of a lot.

Yes as Ryccia pointed out we do have basically all that stuff Sanders wants, yet we slowly built it up, we didn't just one day have all this "free" stuff. We spend £12 billion on our NHS for 5.295 million people, England spends £101.3 billion for 53.01 million people, how much would the US have to spend on its NHS? How could it afford that along with all the other "free" stuff Sanders wants? He can't just tax the rich as the rich will leave and anyway they don't produce enough cash for everything he wants. He would have to increase taxes on everyone including business by a lot.

I am sure the US can have everything Sanders wants in the future and by that I mean in 20-50 years, it's not that long for something that took Europe years and even now not every European country has universal health care let along everything else. Take baby steps not huge massive leaps that will just end in disaster, support a candidate that will start this new America and lead it to greatness.

Also even Sanders supporters don't believe all his ideas are realistic: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35623451

After writing this I think I will stay around but I'm not getting involved in any more debates about Sanders as clearly none of you are going to change your minds and I respect that but there is no point in me debating with people who won't change their minds.