(11-10-2016, 12:34 PM)Punchwood Wrote:

(11-10-2016, 03:28 AM)Qvait Wrote: See, if Bernie Sanders won the Democratic nomination, Donald Trump would not be President. You see the anti-Trump protests going on around the country? I've been watching CNN, and these protesters have grievances against Trump for not winning the national popular vote and against Clinton and the Democratic Party for their complacency. It's the second time in this century and modern times that the winner did not win the vote.

If Bernie Sander won, Trump would have won with an even bigger margin.

The Democratic party sadly has to move closer to the centre ground. Since Obama took office in 09, the Democrats have been destroyed at a state level. They have now lost everything at a federal level as well. Bill Clinton was largely regarded as a centrists and he was able to win states in the south as well as southern counties in states like Ohio. Obama caused the rise of the tea party with being too far on the left for America to handle. Moving further to the left won't help Dems win back states, Senate seats, House seats and finally the Presidency. I really wish that the Dems could be a proper left-wing party but it can't even at the best of times, and especially at times like these.

Look at the electorate that Trump won. He won the working-class, the same electorate that Bernie appealed to. In these times, people are looking for change. In '08, Obama campaigned as the "change" candidate, and that gave him the victory. If you look at 2000 and now 2016, Gore and Clinton campaigned as a continuation of Bill Clinton and Obama, respectively. The people want authenticity and Clinton was not. "The center". For far too long, people have been thinking that the independents are toward the center, which I disagree with. The independents are everywhere on the political spectrum and Bernie Sanders got those people to vote in the Democratic primaries. In times like this, the people are either right-wing or left. It now only matters on how many people turn out to vote.