(05-28-2018, 12:12 PM)sandaoguo Wrote:

(05-28-2018, 11:23 AM)Tsunamy Wrote: After reading/watching this thread, I must say that I'm of the mind that this isn't needed.

But the end of every Cabinet term, people are frustrated with the job (and with each other) and it comes into focus that some of the plans aren't realized. This may feel like a failure (and maybe it is), but ultimately, this is just par for the course.

It seems like that, if we had an emergency, the Cabinet could reasonably snap to action (even now) and, as such, I think holding the elections as normal will allow everyone —  the Cabinet/candidates and the rest of the legislators — how/if to more forward.

This isn’t a case of people being frustrated at the end. What I’ve seen mirrors some of our most dysfunctional Cabinets, like when Raven and Unibot were in the same Cabinet. That Cabinet also “got stuff done,” but it was full of fighting and was a bad environment to be in. That’s not what we should consider par for the course.

With this motion being so close to elections, I don’t think Roavin plans on holding a snap special election just to have regular elections right after. That’s obviously absurd. But some of the issues that have plagued this Cabinet *were* brought up before during the past election, and those red flags weren’t taken seriously because it was in the context of competition. It was just “campaigning.” By issuing a motion of no confidence that reflects as poorly on Roavin as it does Tim and Escade, I think he’s hoping the problems won’t be dismissed as electioneering. Pulling the trigger on this happened after two blow ups by Tim and Escade, so it’s also a matter of circumstances.

Are we just going to not take this seriously because it wasn’t brought up a month ago?


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But ... what's the actionable item here?

Either, we're holding a vote of no confidence ... or we're not? There isn't a ton of middle ground here.

I'm less interested in debating Roavin's feelings on the matter (which are valid and I hope people take heed of them) than I am addressing the practical application of the situation.