(05-28-2018, 03:52 PM)Flemingisa Wrote: From roavin’s OP- “To put it simply, the Cabinet just isn’t working. I will try my best to explain the reasons” but then proceeds to only point out reasons towards Escade and Tim and avoids mentioning the other two members not including himself makes this seem biased towards them in my opinion. (unless he mentioned them in a later post which should have been added to the OP and I apologize)

Also Roavin you are on the record as saying “I think it's not wholly unreasonable to not pass the motion and just let the election run normally” does this not point to the fact that a motion of no confidence was unneeded this close to the election? Cause to me I have yet to see any evidence of the whole cabinet being dysfunctional since you seemed to point out Escade and Tim in your post and yet the “the cabinet isn’t functioning.” I know this includes Roavin in the whole cabinet recall but it looks like Tim and Escade were mentioned 99% of his post.

Just my thoughts on the situation

I'm the only other member of the cabinet. I can't speak on Roavin's choice not to mention me except with regards to my relationship with Escade though.
 

(05-28-2018, 04:34 PM)Pencil Sharpeners Wrote: Having read the Cabinet's responses to my questions, and the other discussions in this thread, I do not believe a motion of no confidence is necessary. It seems to me that there have not been adequate conversations about the severity of the problems prior to this thread. Most of the arguments have taken place in DMs / backroom channels and this has led to the cabinet ministers being unaware of the full extent of the problems, and therefore there have been no collective attempts to solve them. I believe that if these concerns had been raised among the cabinet before being posted here, there may have been a possibility that the working relationships could have been salvaged and this motion wouldn't have had to take place. At the very least we would have had more clarity on the Cabinet's issues if they had all been fully aware of Roavin's feelings before he posted this.

Yes, that definitely seems accurate. I at least did get the sense that Roavin was becoming increasingly exasperated/tired that nothing was being done, but not to this level. But then again I definitely didn't have the connections that the other cabinet members did via DM/elsewhere.