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- Observes our laws, policies, the constitution and our legal and contractual obligations.
NEVER has been an issue - Defends The South Pacific. I'm personally confident that we can, but having no immediate threats.... - Refrains from conduct abroad which contradicts foreign policy. Never have you gotten grief because of the SPSF - Makes an effort to include, welcome and accommodate all citizens as members, regardless of their beliefs. I have contacted EVERYONE who has expressed intrest. We're already there.
QuietDad, I think you missed the point of what I was saying - I was trying to say four conditions that are vitally important for SPSF to operate like how we like it to operate. The fact that the SPSF operates that way now is consistent with that.
EDIT: In other words: I was trying to describe how we already operate. 
Just re-enforcing this is a needless debate.
I've missed too much of this debate to do much so I'll try and keep out of it. No doubt a sigh of relief for many of you. However from the little bit I've read I just want to say this.
First of all TSP is an "independent" region we celebrate independence day on the 20th of July. The holiday is called Independence day because celebrates the end of UCR control on TSP. Secondly saying the SPSF is an independent army makes it sound like it serves no region. At the end of the day all this is changing the words a bit and them not make much sense. So I would say this debate is pointless. However I did say I would try and keep out of this and I will try to keep my vow. Europeian Ambassador to The South Pacific
Former Local Council Member Former Minister of Regional Affairs Former High Court Justice
The concept of Independence as an ideology (or lack thereof) isn't related to the sovereignty of our region. Independence is, in theory, not aligning with either defenders or raiders, rather raiding and defending according to our regional interests.
Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator. I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum. Legal Resources: THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System
As an SPSF General, I feel that this debate is pointless.
If we want to be our way of "Independent", we have to tell/show the world our way of "Independent".
It is supremely annoying that, after all we've been through from our former Independent allies, most of you are still completely uninformed of what Independence is in NationStates. Apologies for harshness, but honestly, it's like everybody here has kept their heads in the sand this past year.
(10-16-2014, 07:52 PM)ProfessorHenn Wrote: As an SPSF General, I feel that this debate is pointless. Except this debate is not about communicating "our way of Independence". It is about whether we should identify as independents, or if we should just do what we do right now without labels. Contrary to misconceptions in this thread, we don't have a monopoly on what Independence means. I don't understand why this specific discussion has to be controversial. This proposal specifically says that it aims at removing the "independent" label and staying without labels, not at moving towards military alignment. Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator. I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum. Legal Resources: THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System (10-16-2014, 08:18 PM)Sandaoguo Wrote: It is supremely annoying that, after all we've been through from our former Independent allies, most of you are still completely uninformed of what Independence is in NationStates. Apologies for harshness, but honestly, it's like everybody here has kept their heads in the sand this past year. I am one of the new members that is oblivious to what independence means in ns. Could you explain it please? It might help some of us chime in, in this debate.
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Quote:5. The SPSF must, at all times, observe our laws, policies, the constitution and our legal and contractual obligations, defend The South Pacific, refrain from conduct abroad which contradicts foreign policy and make an effort to include, welcome and accommodate all citizens as members, regardless of their beliefs. Way to make sense out of all that Uni. It's so clear you couldn't possibly call it vague by any degree. I would support this proposal. Before someone else tries to shoot this down, this whole thing was rather pointless to begin with so there isn't really a right or wrong answer for this. We could debate the very definition of "Independent" for the rest of eternity and still get nowhere. So, before someone says something they can't take back, let's just agree to disagree and move on. |
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