| Interview with Awe - Part 1 |
I think we need spot reform. No major overhaul is really needed, except the judiciary. Which, in my opinion, no matter how many times you rewrite it, it'll never actually work.
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I think our assembly can react fast enough to every major event in NS. NS is a slow developing game. Things can change overnight at update but there are very few things that need to be reacted to in a very prompt manner.
And like I said, that doesn't stop there assembly from appointing people and groups for handling things promptly. It's very easy to say you are for civility, hell who isn't, but it's undeniable that our post BLT system has increased toxicity in the region and I think it's a systematic issue and not a by product of being a political game.
The 16th Delegate of The South Pacific
(08-27-2015, 08:13 PM)Rebeltopia Wrote: I think we need spot reform. No major overhaul is really needed, except the judiciary. Which, in my opinion, no matter how many times you rewrite it, it'll never actually work. The issue for me is that, yeah, we can do this through the normal process. But that has created more problems than when we've done reforms through GC. We end up inconsistencies in the laws and loopholes and plain old holes. A comprehensive rewrite of our laws is needed, in my opinion, so we can have an internally consistent and cohesive system.
(08-28-2015, 06:49 AM)southern bellz Wrote: I think our assembly can react fast enough to every major event in NS. NS is a slow developing game. Things can change overnight at update but there are very few things that need to be reacted to in a very prompt manner. I agree that the environment has at times been more "toxic." But I see a lot of what you're arguing as a negative, as more of a corrective action. The times when the region was stressful to be in and people weren't be nice were times when, ultimately, we needed to fight in order to do what needed to be done. Belschaft needed to be dealt with, and even though we bypassed the courts to do it, we're better off. Empire members needed to be chased off. Wolf and Co needed to be shown that TSP isn't open for outsider takeover so easily. The justices that resigned needed to know that we take the court seriously and that we, as a community, value honesty and owning up to mistakes. All those events caused "toxicity." But we had to go through it to establish TSP's values and protect the security of our community. Are there downsides? Absolutely. But I think we're better off than we would be with a region controlled by Belschaft (where Kris and I -- two out of three admins -- and Unibot would have been forcefully removed from the region), with Empire members doing to us what they did to Osiris, and an outsider as MoFA who ran on a nonsensical campaign really just to troll dedicated TSPers.
And almost won...
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(08-28-2015, 11:24 AM)sandaoguo Wrote:The problem there lies in the lack of knowledge of the assembly of our current texts, and the lack of caring what those current laws actually state. The Chair also has the responsibility to make sure what's being proposed is not contradicting what's already law.(08-27-2015, 08:13 PM)Rebeltopia Wrote: I think we need spot reform. No major overhaul is really needed, except the judiciary. Which, in my opinion, no matter how many times you rewrite it, it'll never actually work. It seems to me that there's a general "I don't give a shit what's already law, as long as my ideals get added" feeling in the Assembly. And, on top of that, like SB had stated, there's too arguing with people, instead of debating the idea. That last reason is why I've left for periods of time. Sent from my LG-D500 using Tapatalk
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Except our values should be democracy and community, and my point is we can try to make a system that reflects that better than our current one. I think a lot of situations escalated to zero sum situations for no reason
That used to be what TSP was known for internationally. We were the light hearted Pacific and I think we attracted talent because of it. It's part of why I'm here. A lot of your analysis is based on completely ignoring opposing opinions - and I think that is having an impact on the region. When people dismiss decenting opinion and make strong executive actions to oppose that they feel disenfranchised. Again, I'm not trying to single you or anyone out on this as I freely admit that I have been part of the problem and not above any of this. The three players we lost weren't trolls and they were not trouble makers. It's not a corrective action, they made a decision that you disagree with. Just like the admin team acted in a way a lot of people disagreed with. In both cases, the region has no authority to make a community decision. You didn't have a way to overturn the judical decision, and the region doesn't have a method to stop admin misconduct. So then what happens? We have a community that feud. It's a huge blow to the community that we lost them. All over this forum there has been expressions of frustration. Look at the most recent comments of the SPINN article. Look at QD's appeal in the assembly, look at Tsu's reaction to losing the justices. Our region isn't in a corrective state, it's in a tragic one. Just because it's an easy example, looking at the latest SPINN article. There was no meaningful discussion generated by something that took a lot of effort to write and most of the comments were people offended. And the unanimous critique of the paper was dismissed. I know SPINN isn't part of the government, but I think it's a good representation of how we've been acting and what I don't think we can continue to do. Again, I mean no disrespect to the people who put their time into the paper. There has been less and less compromise, and more and more the winner or the person in power is going to set the agenda and everyone else can just deal with it. That's not our culture. That's the evil side of democracy and I think with a system that focuses on community solutions to community problems we can go back to putting community above everything. And if people think I'm off base here, please let me know and I'll shut up, but I think we need a discussion about this. I know it's kinda meta and not easy to address our flaws as a community but it's the only way we can remain there best Pacific.
The 16th Delegate of The South Pacific
Uh, this has gone slightly off topic, though I'd've made comments of my own in Part 2 of the interview about TSP's toxicity, so I suggest we leave that for then
I suppose that might be because I am also quite involved in the Ministry of Regional Affairs and in Treasure Island, but I only see toxicity in very specific instances, whereas SB is not that involved in either of those aspects. I mean this as an observation, not as an insult or in any demeaning way. In that sense, I suppose I feel more connected nowadays to the non-political aspects of the region, like writing news and roleplaying, so I just see debates in the Assembly or other government debates are something that happens every once in a while but is noto defining of the region.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that the region is no in as bad a shape as is being said here. Granted, one who exclusively partakes in legislative business will find a more toxic environment, and I do agree that we should try to be more civil when the time comes for the big discussions. However, look at someone who focuses on the Hall of Spam or Treasure Island, or even on the Regional Message Board, and their perception might not be of a toxic or unwelcoming region. That comes as a result of the vastly different experiences that one can have depending on what part of the community one partakes. I would be worried if the bulk of our activity was toxic arguments in the Assembly, but nowadays those come once or twice every couple of months, while the bulk of our activity is the Regional Message Board and Treasure Island. That also says something about where we are headed as a region, but I actually think that is a good sign of our more cultural inclination. Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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I think the point SB is trying to make here is the Assembly is toxic. Whenever there is any importance to a discussion, there's more "I'm right and you're wrong" than there is trying to come to any agreement.
The main part of the game here revolves around a government, not the RP or spam threads. We as a region should value everyone's opinion. Sent from my LG-D500 using Tapatalk
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