(01-13-2016, 01:31 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: I would support this, if paired with a decrease in the term length from 4 months to 3 months. I don't think we need as long of terms as we have, in my experience in the Cabinet. The Delegate would have significantly more power, so that should be tempered with more accountability.
I could support that. Will take a look over the Election laws and make sure nothing was missed in here.
To Punch, I don't know how much clearer I could be here. This wasn't voted on by my choosing. I didn't have the time to think this over enough to draft it. Thus time is different and there is support for it.
No I am also against this. It's undemocratic and we would just have the same people being placed in the Cabinet again and again. Plus I think it would reduce activity not increase it. However I would be for reducing the Cabinet time in government to just 3 months rather than 4, but I am against removing special elections.
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Punchwood, what good does a special election do? All it does is cause chaos, drama and delays to the cabinet and affected ministry, and cabinet on a whole, which could be quickly fixed by an appointment.
Here is a full bill for consideration. This should cover the Election Act and some clarifying provisions about the current terms and such. I should also point out that this does not include anything about the Line of Succession so that would still be in place as is. With the Vice Delegate becoming Delegate if their is a vacancy in that office. I think we need to discuss that and how we want to handle it.
Quote:Appointed Cabinet Omnibus Bill
Section 1 - Amendments to the Charter
Article 5: Executive
Section 1 - The Delegate and Vice Delegate
1. The Delegate will serve as Head of State and Government of the South Pacific.
2. The Delegate may implement policies regarding regional message board adverts and spam and expel recruiters for violating those policies.
3. The Delegate is responsible for making sure all nations abide by the Endorsement Cap as established and enforced by the Committee for State Security.
4. The Delegate may eject nations when permitted by the Charter and Code of Laws.
5. With the majority approval of the Committee for State Security taken by a vote, the Delegate may declare a State of Emergency with reasonable justification that a threat to regional security is imminent, subjected to provisions granted by Article 6, Section 3 of the Charter.
6. The Vice Delegate will hold the second highest amount of endorsements in the region at any given time.
7. The Vice Delegate will be responsible for reviewing Citizenship Applications.
8. In the event that the Delegate resigns, is recalled, or otherwise unable to carry out their duties the Vice Delegate will immediately assume the Office of the Delegate.
9. The procedures for the election of the Delegate and Vice Delegate must be defined in Law.
Section 2 - Cabinet of the South Pacific
1. The Delegate will appoint citizens to serve as members of the Cabinet of the South Pacific.
2. The Delegate must appoint a Minister of Foreign Affairs and a Minister of the Army. The Delegate will have the ability to staff and create other Ministries.
3. Each appointed Minister will be considered a Senior Cabinet Official and serve at the pleasure of the Delegate. Each Senior Official may appoint Deputies who serve at the pleasure of the respective Minister.
4. The Delegate must present the appointments of all Senior Cabinet Officials to the Assembly to be approved via a majority vote.
Article 3: Legislature
Section 2 - Chair of the Assembly and Duties of the Chair.
3. The Chair of the Assembly will serve as the Legislative Liaison between the Cabinet and Assembly and have Junior Cabinet status.
4. The Chair will serve a term lasting three months.
Section 2 - Amendments to the Election Act
Article 1 - General Elections
1. Elections for the Delegate, Vice Delegate, and Chair of the Assembly shall commence on the fifteenth of every January, April, July, and November.
3. Terms for the Delegate, Vice Delegate, and Chair of the Assembly shall commence on the first of every February, May, August, and December, while terms for Local Councillors on the fifteenth of every June, September, and January.
5. No one can run for or hold more than one Executive, Legislative, Judicial, or Local Council position at any given time.
Article 2 - Position Specificities
1. The Delegate and Vice Delegate will run on a joint ticket.
2. Cabinet offices will be voted on separately.
3. Voters during Delegate, Vice Delegate, and Chair of the Assembly Elections shall list all candidates from their most to least preferred on their ballot.
4. The winning candidates during a Delegate, Vice Delegate, and Chair of the Assembly race shall be the candidate, when paired up against any other candidate, who would surpass any other candidate in terms of support; if no such candidate exists, the winning candidate shall be determined by an instant-runoff vote. In the event of a tie the election for that office will be restarted immediately.
5. In all elections an option to re-open nominations will be included. For non-judicial elections, If this option receives the most votes the nomination period for that office will be restarted.
Article 3 - Vacancies
1. In the event that no candidate runs for an available office the newly elected Cabinet will appoint a Citizen to fill the vacancy.
1. Vacancies in office occur when the office holder resigns, is recalled, or no longer holds citizenship. In the event of a vacancy in office a special election will begin within 72 hours of the office becoming vacant, unless the vacancy occurs in the month prior to the start of the term for the position in question; in this case the Cabinet will appoint a Citizen to fill the vacated position for the remainder of the term.
Section 3 - General and Special Provisions
1. The Chair of the Assembly will ensure that all amendments are updated and the numbering is consistent for any amendment that causes changes to the numbering.
2. The existing terms for the Cabinet and Chair of the Assembly will be extended by one month to match the new 3 month terms.
3. Upon passage the Chair will lose senior Cabinet permissions and gain junior Cabinet level permissions.
4. During the remainder of the current term if the office of an elected Minister becomes vacant the Delegate will appoint a successor with Assembly approval as defined law.
Only issue I have with this is the Minister of Regional Affairs is once again missing
(01-15-2016, 10:04 AM)QuietDad Wrote: Only issue I have with this is the Minister of Regional Affairs is once again missing
I could be wrong, but I'm reading this as though the delegate could appoint as many or as few ministers after FA and Army, as s/he would like.
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(01-14-2016, 10:29 PM)Sam111 Wrote: Punchwood, what good does a special election do? All it does is cause chaos, drama and delays to the cabinet and affected ministry, and cabinet on a whole, which could be quickly fixed by an appointment.
What good does it do? It shows our democracy. The fact is we'll get the same people being appointed over and over again and these special elections are not High Court elections they are Cabinet elections that are always more active.
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Former Local Council Member
Former Minister of Regional Affairs
Former High Court Justice
I never said they were more, or less, active than court elections, simply that they cause more pain and trouble than they're worth. I don't think you're understanding what we're saying.
(01-15-2016, 12:50 PM)Punchwood Wrote: (01-14-2016, 10:29 PM)Sam111 Wrote: Punchwood, what good does a special election do? All it does is cause chaos, drama and delays to the cabinet and affected ministry, and cabinet on a whole, which could be quickly fixed by an appointment.
What good does it do? It shows our democracy. The fact is we'll get the same people being appointed over and over again and these special elections are not High Court elections they are Cabinet elections that are always more active.
Just as a comment on this, Europeia has always had an appointed Cabinet, and the Cabinet generally consists of a mix of newer and older members. It's rare for the same person to serve in the same post for more than two terms. I understand that TSP is different than Europeia, but the idea that the same people would be appointed over and over doesn't hold water for me.
Furthermore, someone mentioned that TSP is too small for an appointed Cabinet. I would argue that an appointed Cabinet is actually better than an elected one for smaller regions. This allows the Delegate to approach people who would not have themselves considered running for election. You're also more likely to get a diverse group of Ministers that work well together, as the Delegate will be appointing his Ministers with the whole in mind.
I am in favor of this idea with the term length reduction. I realize I've been pretty much a non-entity in TSP recently, so I understand if my opinion isn't taken very seriously. As I look around, though, it's apparent that the status quo isn't working well, and this seems like a very thoughtful change.
(01-15-2016, 12:52 PM)Sam111 Wrote: I never said they were more, or less, active than court elections, simply that they cause more pain and trouble than they're worth. I don't think you're understanding what we're saying.
That's it Sam, please try to avoid talking to me in the Assembly as I find you very toxic and you insult me whenever you have the chance. You campaigned on removing toxic behaviour from the Assembly but I think you are craeting more toxic behaviour. Elections are always worth it as they are democrtic having the Cabinet pick who they want to serve with them is not democratic.
Europeian Ambassador to The South Pacific
Former Local Council Member
Former Minister of Regional Affairs
Former High Court Justice
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