It's very unlikely that people who did no wrong were punished. It's far more likely they're just lying. Those in DEN were benefiting off the products of Predator, regardless if they personally used the tool or not. The nature of Predator means few people had to use it, but when they did it benefited many. Raiders in DEN and Cimmeria should've thought to ask why their timing was crazily successful, and it strikes me as very unlikely that there wasn't some kind of knowledge that it wasn't just luck or really good math.

Let's take Wolf for example. The deletion of his region "The Den" was unjust and really not needed.
If you're like me, and don't know squat about code, you can't really question much. Hell, I had trouble trying to use the dumps to trigger. To many others, using Predator could be seen the same way that defenders use FriarTuck. Those not in high command had no reason to question the legality.

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I'm not very smart and know nothing about any of that stuff they use and all that so yeah

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Difference is FriarTuck is legal and as such, not quite as accurate. I do find it funny Eluvatur pulling the plug on Predator as he owns Friar Tuck. But again Frair Tuck is legal and as such not as accurate

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What exactly do they do?

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It's very unlikely that people who did no wrong were punished. It's far more likely they're just lying. Those in DEN were benefiting off the products of Predator, regardless if they personally used the tool or not. The nature of Predator means few people had to use it, but when they did it benefited many. Raiders in DEN and Cimmeria should've thought to ask why their timing was crazily successful, and it strikes me as very unlikely that there wasn't some kind of knowledge that it wasn't just luck or really good math.

Let's take Wolf for example. The deletion of his region "The Den" was unjust and really not needed.
If you're like me, and don't know squat about code, you can't really question much. Hell, I had trouble trying to use the dumps to trigger. To many others, using Predator could be seen the same way that defenders use FriarTuck. Those not in high command had no reason to question the legality.

In the beginning, sure, they had no reason to question it. The moment Halcones got DOS they should've started asking questions about whether a script that needed to be connected to his computer was legal to use.

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Let's take Wolf for example. The deletion of his region "The Den" was unjust and really not needed.

Yup, I was not part of this Predator scheme and wouldn't have touched it with a hundred foot poll, since both Halc and LSD/Frak were involved and they've done nothing but try to harm LWU for quite some time.

However both I and many other historical DENers who not only were not involved in Predator, weren't ever involved in TBR's reboot of DEN and some even opposed them stealing the DEN name for propaganda purposes, got their regions schwacked by a single Mod. I won't say who, at the present, but just read that thread and you might get a pretty good idea who that might be.

Seems there was a bit of "reading between the lines" done by this one Mod, as most of the team had agreed that all regions held by DEN (as in the Predator cheaters) should be deleted. This one Mod took those words and ran with them, applying a deletion to most historical DEN regions, all of which were founded years before TBR's "DEN" and had nothing to do with them. Even more telling, they only deleted historical DEN regions held by raiders such as myself, DEN regions held by defenders were left alone. I'm not saying this person had an agenda but...ok, fuck it, they totally had an agenda. >_>

I am, of course, appealing this decision before the entire Moderation team; although I was first told, by the same Mod that deleted my region, I couldn't as "Predator punishments aren't allowed the normal appeals process". I then asked if I was being punished for Predator, to which the response was a whole shitload of backpedaling.

I'm pretty pissed about it, but there is a fair shot the ruling will be overturned.

(This post was last modified: 04-05-2016, 09:59 PM by Wolf.)

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Deleting all DEN-related regions, even historical, could be an excessive punishment meant exactly to deter cheating the future. There's also the possibility that DEN can resurface in these regions, which will probably be the reason given if your appeal is rejected.


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Deleting all DEN-related regions, even historical, could be an excessive punishment meant exactly to deter cheating the future. There's also the possibility that DEN can resurface in these regions, which will probably be the reason given if your appeal is rejected.

All of which is complete crap.

A successor region doesn't need to have "DEN" in it's name, as The Black Raiders already proved when they switched to DEN in the first place. And "deter cheating" by punishing the unrelated innocents? Oh yeah that will really deter the rule breakers, who I am sure absolutely care about people who were not involved in their cheating getting punished. [/sarcasm]

This is nothing more than a ham fisted ruling by a minority who is now hoping that, because it's already been made a reality, that the other mods will agree with them for the sake of outward appearances of "unity".

Personal opinion, I have nothing substantial to support that last assertion.

(This post was last modified: 04-06-2016, 12:00 PM by Wolf.)

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I mean, aren't you kind of blowing it out of proportion, though? "The DEN" was a trophy region at most. :\ I wouldn't be surprised if mods just don't care that it got swept up in the mass deletions.

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I mean, aren't you kind of blowing it out of proportion, though? "The DEN" was a trophy region at most. :\ I wouldn't be surprised if mods just don't care that it got swept up in the mass deletions.

Does it matter if it was a trophy region? Does that justify a deletion? Because if we're going to go down that road, why doesn't we just start deleting all regions below a certain size?

I mean, who cares, right? They are small insignificant regions, no one is going to miss them, right?

No, this ruling was bias as hell and is, worst of all, taking advantage of the situation, which damages the moderations image and throws into question the just punishments they dealt out. Throw at it any justifications you want, but it was based upon a logical fallacy and has no substance behind it.

(This post was last modified: 04-05-2016, 11:09 PM by Wolf.)

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