Shall we open up new threads/discussions to keep the CoP ball rolling through CoA elections?

-Griffindor/Ebonhand
-Current Roles/Positions
-Legislator 2/24/20-
-High Court Justice 6/7/20-
-South Pacific Coral Guard 11/17/20-
-Minister of Engagement 6/17/22-

-Past Roles/Positions
-Legislator 7/3/16-4/10/18
-Secretary of State 4/3/20-2/24/21
-Chair of the APC 9/24/16-5/31/17
-Vice-Chair of the APC 6/1/17-4/10/18
-Local Council Member 7/1/17-11/17/17
-Citizen 5/2012-12/2014 and  2/26/16-7/3/2016

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Yes absolutely!

Above all else, I hope to be a decent person.
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CoA: August 2016-January 2017
Minister of Foreign Affairs: October 2019-June 2020, October 2020- February 2021

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I have Seraph's response.

Imperial Frost Federation Wrote:
[color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.7)]Dear [color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.7)]Seraph[/color],
On the behalf of the Commission on Procedure we would like to ask if you are willing to answer the following questions regarding LC-Assembly relations.
Please note that your responses will be shared with other members within the commission.[/color]
[color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.7)]What do believe is the role of the Local council? [/color]
[color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.7)]Do you believe that the Local council is a separate entity from the assembly or is a junior house in a bicameral system? Why or why not?[/color]
[color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.7)]Do you believe Local Councilors have a mandate under the charter to establish home rule? If so, how will it be implemented and under what form? If not explain why they do not have a mandate?[/color]

1) I believe that the role of the Local Council is to serve as a home rule body for the in-game region and to facilitate those in that part of the community in self-organising to achieve their own goals and meet their own needs where these are separate from the Forums'.
2) I believe that the local council is a separate entity from the assembly. Only the LC rep is technically a part of the assembly.
3) I believe that there is the suggestion of the mandate in the use of the phrase home rule and that a legal argument can be made for them to use that accordingly. I'm in favour of glen's amendment, however, in that it greatly clarifies the LC's powers in this regard.
The In-Game 'government' can be whatever it needs to be, but I suspect that will turn out to be more to do with self-moderation, and active efforts to improve polls and activities on the RMB - to make the gameside more fun, rather than more political. I would hope, also, that a connection can be made between whatever government the gameside produced and, for example, regional affairs, to make it easier for those who want to enjoy the forumside style of play to make that move.
I hope that helps.

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I recommend that we put a freeze on this discussion until after the bills are voted on in the assembly.

-Griffindor/Ebonhand
-Current Roles/Positions
-Legislator 2/24/20-
-High Court Justice 6/7/20-
-South Pacific Coral Guard 11/17/20-
-Minister of Engagement 6/17/22-

-Past Roles/Positions
-Legislator 7/3/16-4/10/18
-Secretary of State 4/3/20-2/24/21
-Chair of the APC 9/24/16-5/31/17
-Vice-Chair of the APC 6/1/17-4/10/18
-Local Council Member 7/1/17-11/17/17
-Citizen 5/2012-12/2014 and  2/26/16-7/3/2016

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We will suspend our discussions on the LC-Assembly relations at this time to allow the Assembly to debate and Pass/deny the resolutions.

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Continuing on with LC relations.. My views have evolved a bit since we started this thread.

I still think that they should come over to the forums to join government and make laws. Now however, I want to fully exclude the block vote that the LC is given. From there, we basically make them a state (of sorts) in that they can make all of their own rules and regulations, with a 3 member LC and the delegate presiding over them. Then, the High Court can strike down a law deemed unconstitutional, or the assembly can motion to overturn the rule/regulation. This duel mechanism allows different avenues if the LC was to somehow go rouge.

-Griffindor/Ebonhand
-Current Roles/Positions
-Legislator 2/24/20-
-High Court Justice 6/7/20-
-South Pacific Coral Guard 11/17/20-
-Minister of Engagement 6/17/22-

-Past Roles/Positions
-Legislator 7/3/16-4/10/18
-Secretary of State 4/3/20-2/24/21
-Chair of the APC 9/24/16-5/31/17
-Vice-Chair of the APC 6/1/17-4/10/18
-Local Council Member 7/1/17-11/17/17
-Citizen 5/2012-12/2014 and  2/26/16-7/3/2016

(This post was last modified: 01-21-2017, 08:29 PM by Griffindor.)

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Continuing on with LC relations.. My views have evolved a bit since we started this thread.

I still think that they should come over to the forums to join government and make laws. Now however, I want to fully exclude the block vote that the LC is given. From there, we basically make them a state (of sorts) in that they can make all of their own rules and regulations, with a 3 member LC and the delegate presiding over them. Then, the High Court can strike down a law deemed unconstitutional, or the assembly can motion to overturn the rule/regulation. This duel mechanism allows different avenues if the LC was to somehow go rouge.

I'd like to remind you that the commission's responsibility is to analyze the relationship between the Assembly and Local Council, not to weaken the Local Council politically in exchange for increased autonomy. The argument to strip the LC of it's block vote or implement measures within the LC to mitigate the damage from going rogue is under the domain of the CRS and LC not the assembly or the commission.

(This post was last modified: 01-23-2017, 03:01 PM by Imperial Frost Federation.)

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Continuing on with LC relations.. My views have evolved a bit since we started this thread.

I still think that they should come over to the forums to join government and make laws. Now however, I want to fully exclude the block vote that the LC is given. From there, we basically make them a state (of sorts) in that they can make all of their own rules and regulations, with a 3 member LC and the delegate presiding over them. Then, the High Court can strike down a law deemed unconstitutional, or the assembly can motion to overturn the rule/regulation. This duel mechanism allows different avenues if the LC was to somehow go rouge.

I'd like to remind you that the commission's responsibility is to analyze the relationship between the Assembly and Local Council, not to weaken the Local Council politically in exchange for increased autonomy. The argument to strip the LC of it's block vote or implement measures within the LC to mitigate the damage from going rogue is under the domain of the CRS and LC not the assembly or the commission.

Of course! But I see its structure and its powers as how it interacts with the assembly, I didn't mean to make it appear that I wanted to lessen its power. I only wanted to propose a way to re-examine the way it interacts with the assembly, to give it more home rule, but not the block vote expansion. I saw it as the best of both worlds in terms of the proposals a few weeks ago. 

To clarify my proposal, I would recommend stripping the block vote, in exchange for the LC having the ability to make their own rules, with the assembly reserving their right to review the rules.

I do see what you are saying though.

-Griffindor/Ebonhand
-Current Roles/Positions
-Legislator 2/24/20-
-High Court Justice 6/7/20-
-South Pacific Coral Guard 11/17/20-
-Minister of Engagement 6/17/22-

-Past Roles/Positions
-Legislator 7/3/16-4/10/18
-Secretary of State 4/3/20-2/24/21
-Chair of the APC 9/24/16-5/31/17
-Vice-Chair of the APC 6/1/17-4/10/18
-Local Council Member 7/1/17-11/17/17
-Citizen 5/2012-12/2014 and  2/26/16-7/3/2016

(This post was last modified: 01-23-2017, 06:06 PM by Griffindor.)

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