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Zak6858 · 01-04-2017, 06:39 PM

(01-04-2017, 06:38 PM)Gordon Freeman Wrote:
(01-04-2017, 06:17 PM)Seraph Wrote:
(01-04-2017, 05:57 PM)Gordon Freeman Wrote:
(01-04-2017, 02:21 PM)Belschaft Wrote:
(01-04-2017, 02:17 PM)Gordon Freeman Wrote: I mean it removes the ability to make polls, have a local government on the game side, and removes mod power from the RMB from the charter.

The legislation in question does none of these things - if it did, I would be voting against it. The powers of the Local Council are not changed by the amendment.

Red means it is removed right?
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Quote:V. THE LOCAL COUNCIL

1. The Local Council will be the local government of the in-game community, composed of three or more residents of The South Pacific, and will represent the interests of all players in the region, moderate the Regional Message Board, encourage activity on the game-side, and administrate itself on issues unique to the in-game community.

2. The Local Council is entitled to self-administration within its jurisdiction on local issues, but may not pass laws or regulations that contradict this Charter or constitutional laws. To that end, the Assembly may not enact any law, nor the Cabinet deliver any directive, that is solely related to an issue local to the in-game community.

3. The Local Council may not be denied the authority to run regional polls, create and pin Dispatches, and to suppress messages on the Regional Message Board according to a standard moderation policy. However, it may not alter the regional flags or tags, and may not send out mass telegrams, without the approval of the Delegate.

4. To help promote inter-governmental relations, the Local Council will send a representative to the Assembly, whose term must not exceed the Local Council’s. The method of selection will be decided by the Local Council, along with how the representative casts their votes in the Assembly.

VIII. THE HIGH COURT

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4. The High Court has the power to declare any general law or regulation, Cabinet directive, and Local Council law or regulation, in whole or in part, void upon determination that it violates the terms of this Charter or any other constitutional law.

5. The High Court may reconcile contradictions within the Charter, constitutional laws, general laws, Cabinet directives, and Local Council laws and regulations, maintaining the least amount of disruption to the intended purposes of the contradictory parts.

XII. AMENDMENT PROCESS

Setting a procedure for amendment the Charter

1. The Assembly may amend any provision of the Charter by a three-fifths supermajority. Amendments must be constitutional in nature, addressing the structure or framework of government. Bills that may exist as general laws, as determined by the Chair of the Assembly, should not be placed in the Charter.

2. Any amendment that directly affects the game-side community or its home governance, as determined by the Chair of the Assembly, must also be debated and voted upon by the game-side community. Additionally, the Local Council may originate amendments to its constitutional structure, which must be debated and voted upon in the Assembly.
In this amendment the bits in red are the bits that have been changed or added. It wasn't a great choice of colour.

It was my understanding that red= remove.

5. Vacancies of Office
(1) A special election will be held for vacancies arising within the Cabinet, if more than half of the term remains. If less than half of the term remains, or the position is vacant due to nobody running in its election, the Cabinet may appoint a replacement until the next regularly scheduled election.
(2) A special election will be held for vacancies arising within the Local Council, if more than half of the term remains. If less than half of the term remains, or the position is vacant due to nobody running in its election, the Delegate may appoint a replacement until the next regularly scheduled election.
(23) Should the office of Delegate become vacant, the next person in the line of succession will become interim Delegate until the next regularly scheduled election. If no person qualifies for the office, then a special election will be held.

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Maybe take this discussion elsewhere, you might be spamming Bel's thread

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**Belschaft** · 01-04-2017, 06:45 PM

I tend to use red to show a removal, blue an alteration and green an addition, but that's just my own style; other people use different systems.

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Gordon Freeman · 01-04-2017, 06:47 PM

(01-04-2017, 06:45 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I tend to use red to show a removal, blue an alteration and green and addition, but that's just my own style; other people use different systems.

Oh... so maybe it's an addiction?

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**Belschaft** · 01-04-2017, 06:53 PM

(01-04-2017, 06:47 PM)Gordon Freeman Wrote:
(01-04-2017, 06:45 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I tend to use red to show a removal, blue an alteration and green and addition, but that's just my own style; other people use different systems.

Oh... so maybe it's an addiction?

In this case it's simply identifying those areas where Glen has changed the wording.

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Gordon Freeman · 01-04-2017, 06:57 PM

(01-04-2017, 06:53 PM)Belschaft Wrote:
(01-04-2017, 06:47 PM)Gordon Freeman Wrote:
(01-04-2017, 06:45 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I tend to use red to show a removal, blue an alteration and green and addition, but that's just my own style; other people use different systems.

Oh... so maybe it's an addiction?

In this case it's simply identifying those areas where Glen has changed the wording.

Oh.

- Winner of 'Most Energetic Campaign' in the June 2016 TSP elections.
- Winner of the Best Overall RMB poster and [b]Best RMB Welcomer of the The South Pacific Coconut Awards, 2017[/b]
- Craziest Person of the June 2017 Cabinet
- STARS Commander
- APC - normal member/The undisputed king of all silliness, eternal ruler and God Emperor of APC
- Swan Knight or something
- Cob Award Winner: Top-50 most endorse buttons clicked
- Regional Leda Award Winner: Top-50 highest average endorsement count

Omega · 01-04-2017, 11:34 PM

Bel, what do you plan to do should you not be elected?

Above all else, I hope to be a decent person.
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**Belschaft** · 01-05-2017, 01:18 PM

(01-04-2017, 11:34 PM)Omega Wrote: Bel, what do you plan to do should you not be elected?

Remain as a Local Councillor, working with whoever is elected Delegate and the other LC's to run the in-game region, as well as campaigning for and promoting those issues that I was elected to campaign for and promote.

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**Belschaft** · 01-05-2017, 02:40 PM

OP is now updated.

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***Tsunamy*** · 01-05-2017, 02:45 PM

Bel — this is a nice platform. I think it sums up the region nicely. That said, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask the obvious here.

In the past, you've betrayed the trust of the region by creating a fake identity (Livia) and more recently sought two positions under the guise of better representing the RMB-active nations, which was flouting the spirit of our laws, if it didn't break the letter.

As such, how can we trust that, if elected, you're going to follow the laws in letter and in spirit and not go down a rabbit hole of empowering "the people" a la Milo?

As someone was grateful to you for your actions during the Hileville situation, I don't lay this out lightly, but I think there are definite concerns around both your rhetoric and the manner in which you've attempted in reach your prestated goals.

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**Belschaft** · 01-05-2017, 05:58 PM

(01-05-2017, 02:45 PM)Tsunamy Wrote: In the past, you've betrayed the trust of the region by creating a fake identity (Livia) and more recently sought two positions under the guise of better representing the RMB-active nations, which was flouting the spirit of our laws, if it didn't break the letter.

I view this as two separate issues really, and will address them as such.

Firstly, the issue of my "Livia" persona. There's a bunch of ways I could address this, and a lot of them which I could use to try and dodge the question. But the simple reality is that after I was exiled from the region in 2015 I was angry and bitter - I didn't like the fact that a bunch of people were saying that I wasn't a citizen of TSP, the region I consider my home, especially as with the exception of yourself the people involved had been in TSP for a lot less time than myself. I felt insulted, thought I deserved better treatment due to my service to the region over the years, and viewed the entire thing as political; in all honestly, I still think that to a certain degree it was political for some of the people involved. I was acting like an arsehole at the time, and I certainly needed a break from TSP for my own good, but the way things went down just made everything worse.

I created the Livia persona because I took pleasure from being smarter than the people who decided I wasn't a citizen anymore, showing them up and talking to them without them knowing it. It was petty and dickish of me, but as I said - I was bitter and angry. That doesn't excuse me doing it, and I obviously shouldn't have, but we all fuck up. We all make mistakes, do things we regret. All we can do is recognise that, apologise and try to make up for what we've done.

As for the second issue, the fact that I ran for Chair of the Assembly whilst intending to remain a Local Councillor; I continue to view the LC as a political and representative role, rather than a governmental one. My job is to promote the interests of the majority of TSPers who don't directly participate in our government, and that shouldn't be viewed in the same way as administering a part of the government. I think that Local Councillors should be allowed to seek government office, precisely because I don't think the Local Council is a form of government office. Obviously this isn't something that the majority of the Assembly agrees with me on, but it's my opinion on the subject.

(01-05-2017, 02:45 PM)Tsunamy Wrote: As such, how can we trust that, if elected, you're going to follow the laws in letter and in spirit and not go down a rabbit hole of empowering "the people" a la Milo?

I try to judge people by their actions, not their words. I've been Delegate of TSP three times - two elected terms in 2011 and 2013, and a "interim" Delegacy in 2016 when I took control of Hile's nation; if I wanted to coup TSP for the sake of couping a GCR I would have done so previously. I obviously think the way TSP is governed needs to change, but I've spent the last year attempting to do so via the proper legal methods; the Assembly, seeking election, sometimes the Court. I intend to keep doing so.

To be honest, if I wanted to "do a Milo" I wouldn't be running on the platform I am; I don't expect to get a huge amount of support from assembly legislators, which means I'm not very likely to make it to the in-game stage of the election. If my plan was to be elected Delegate, and then abandon the laws of TSP and coup then I'd probably want to run on a platform that has a better chance to get me elected. Let's be honest here; I'm not going to be TSP's next Delegate. What I want to do, and what I'm trying to do, is shape the debate. I mean, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind being Delegate - I enjoy the job and think that me being elected would force the Assembly to address the issues I campaign for - but I don't expect to be.

(01-05-2017, 02:45 PM)Tsunamy Wrote: As someone was grateful to you for your actions during the Hileville situation, I don't lay this out lightly, but I think there are definite concerns around both your rhetoric and the manner in which you've attempted in reach your prestated goals.

I make no apologies for not couching my words in political-nonsense to make them more appealing, or for aggressively campaigning for democratic reform. It's what I said I would do when I asked people to elect me as a Local Councillor, and it's exactly what I have done. I'm sure I've annoyed plenty of people by relentlessly hammering on about political reform and voting rights for the last six months, but that's too bad for them - I have every intention of keeping at it. I think TSP has a serious democratic deficit right now, I think we need to improve voting rights, and I'm going to keep on doing everything in my legal power to address these issues.

My objective here isn't to avoid offending people, or to tell them what they want to hear. It would be the easiest thing in the world to craft a safe, inoffensive political platform, one that appeals to lots of people and could get me elected to a cabinet office, and then work up from there. I don't fell like engaging in that kind of nonsense though; I'm going to say what I think, not what it's politic for me to think. If people don't like that, they don't have to vote for me.

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