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#31

(01-31-2017, 11:50 PM)RandomGuy199 Wrote: I do think the Western World should be a bulwark against authoritarianism. However, to be taken seriously in that role, there must be no more support of dictatorships simply because they hate someone we also hate. For example, one of the reasons the US is still widely despised here in Latin America is because of the numerous democratic governments they toppled, and the dictatorships they installed and supported: the ones in Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, and Uruguay killed thousands of dissidents and "disappeared" many more while the ones en Guatemala and El Salvador brutally persecuted their political opponents and perpetrated genocidal campaigns against indigenous peoples. That US mindset that they have a divine right to topple any government they want if it doesn't bow to US interests must disappear.

As an American, I could not agree with you more on this. It is one of the darkest chapters of American history, comparable to slavery and Japanese internment during the Second World War. When I think about that part in your comment that I put in bold, I think about Mohammad Mosaddegh, a man who was democratically-elected to be the Prime Minister of Iran. However, Eisenhower's CIA and Churchill's MI6 went in and overthrew him to install the Shah. Flash forward to 1979 and everyone knows what happened. To this day, we still have a hostile relationship with an undemocratic Iran. I view Dwight Eisenhower and Winston Churchill in the greatest respect when it comes to their leadership during the Second World War, but their postwar actions are just deplorable. My government once supported apartheid in South Africa and viewed Nelson Mandela as a communist terrorist. This is inexcusable and I believe apologies are in order for all of these actions.

However, I believe that there is light at the end of the tunnel (that is on the condition that the tunnel doesn't collapse before we get there). I find that the Millennial generation, which outnumbers the baby boomers, are the most peace-loving, pro-democracy generation you can find. Maybe I'm biased because I'm a Millennial myself. If we define Millennials as those born 1980–2000, we will be at our strongest in 2020, when all of us will be eligible to vote. We can change the tide by removing Trump from office, assuming he's not impeached by then. But even then, Mike Pence is terrible. The Democrats need to form a grassroots movement like the Tea Party. We saw that kind of movement with Bernie Sanders. I know, a number of the Clinton Democrats are still pissed, blaming Sanders for challenging her, but, as a Bernie Democrat myself, what did they expect? Clinton didn't deserve to be handed the Democratic nomination on a silver platter. How do they think I feel when WikiLeaks put out emails from the chair of the DNC, who actively campaigned against Bernie?

What needs to happen is you find a candidate who isn't moderately-far-left (Bernie) or center-right (Hillary). We need a candidate that is center-left, one that can reconcile both the Bernie and Hillary Democrats. The truth of the matter is, the Democrats need Bernie Sanders for the grassroots (he won Wisconsin and Michigan) and we need "the establishment" for their money. Yeah, I hate the big donors. However, since the Citizens United Supreme Court decision, we are playing by their rules. We'll take their sword and use it against them. However, the grassroots needs attention first. State legislators, governorships, and congressional seats are up for grabs before 2020, and we need every last one of them. When the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, minorities who vote Democratic were targeted by discriminatory voter ID laws passed by Republican state legislatures and governors (North Carolina and Wisconsin). The Census is coming up in 2020 as well. With that comes redistricting, and that means gerrymandering by the Republicans. We need to stop that in its tracks. The Democratic Party needs to get busy, right now.
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#32

(02-01-2017, 12:08 AM)RandomGuy199 Wrote:
(01-30-2017, 09:56 PM)Seraph Wrote: Meanwhile, in the UK, we have Theresa May getting chummy with Trump and desperately mending bridges with Erdogan, because 'we need strong friends' for when we leave the EU.

1) We had strong friends within the EU, but that doesn't matter because the mis-informed populous voted out in a non-legally binding referendum and now May, who claimed to be a remainer, is charging forwards with no regard to what the will of the people might continue to be as the picture grows clearer because 'the people have spoken!'
2) No matter how bad things get, I don't want to live in a country that throws its values away at the first sign of trouble and snuggles up to these guys.
3) Ugh!

The entire Brexit fiasco should have been a warning sign on what to expect when you vote with your heart but not with your brain. We have a tiny bunch of racists, "hard" conservatives and ultra-nationalists blaming all their problems on the EU and migrants and pushing for a referendum to get out, managing to convince a misinformed and disgruntled populace by reminding them of the "old days" (back when the UK didn't have to answer to anyone because it physically controlled a third of the world and could impose its will by force). However, they had no idea what to do after winning (as they didn't expect to win on the first place), and now that they have alienated much of Europe they are desperately searching for friends. I am genuinely worried, as it seems that Scotland may eventually try to secede if things go south.
Indeed, not to mention the possibility of reigniting the troubles in Northern Ireland. The UK has been heading for disintegration since the Scottish Independence Referendum and Brexit is going to do all it can to speed things up. Nothing May has done so far seems to be helping.

(As an aside, I think it's great that we've finally managed to get a second female prime minister, but I'd really like it if the third time round we could get one whose politics I don't find completely repugnant.)
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#33

Look at the picture below. This pic was taken in May 2016. Merkel is the last one standing. Cameron and Renzi were fools for calling for referendums. Hollande lost ground after several terrorist attacks, now the French are most likely going to have a conservative leader (Fillon or, God forbid, Le Pen). The stupid Electoral College gave Trump the victory. Now that Obama is out of office, Merkel is the Leader of the Free World.

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#34

(02-01-2017, 01:57 PM)Qvait Wrote: Look at the picture below. This pic was taken in May 2016. Merkel is the last one standing. Cameron and Renzi were fools for calling for referendums. Hollande lost ground after several terrorist attacks, now the French are most likely going to have a conservative leader (Fillon or, God forbid, Le Pen). The stupid Electoral College gave Trump the victory. Now that Obama is out of office, Merkel is the Leader of the Free World.

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And Merkel did lose reputation too.
Former a politician, that was known for doing nothing and just sitting things out, she finally did something in the refugee crisis and got punished for it. Polls say, the new right-wing, partly-nazi-party "AfD" (Alternative für Deutschland, Alternative for Germany) is going to be the third strongest party in the elections in September with 14% or so.
Plus our Social-Democrats set up a good competitor. Martin Schulz, former EU-president, pro EU af, but knows no mercy for anyone on the right or religious islamists or unconstitutional lefts. If the people could vote directly for the chancellor, Schulz and Merkel would both get 41%.
It will be an exciting campaign period. Although I wanted to vote for Merkel in September, things have changed by now and I'm again unsure, whom to give the vote.
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(02-01-2017, 04:19 PM)GI-Land Wrote: And Merkel did lose reputation too.
Former a politician, that was known for doing nothing and just sitting things out, she finally did something in the refugee crisis and got punished for it. Polls say, the new right-wing, partly-nazi-party "AfD" (Alternative für Deutschland, Alternative for Germany) is going to be the third strongest party in the elections in September with 14% or so.
Plus our Social-Democrats set up a good competitor. Martin Schulz, former EU-president, pro EU af, but knows no mercy for anyone on the right or religious islamists or unconstitutional lefts. If the people could vote directly for the chancellor, Schulz and Merkel would both get 41%.
It will be an exciting campaign period. Although I wanted to vote for Merkel in September, things have changed by now and I'm again unsure, whom to give the vote.

Well, let's hope your country makes the right decision. By the way, be on the lookout for Russian interference. They're gonna try to influence the minds of the voters by leaking damaging material on candidates or creating Twitter accounts that look German. They did that with Hillary Clinton, they might as well do it with Angela Merkel or any challenger who is not pro-Russia. I urge you not to make the decision that the UK and my country made. Please don't fall for Russia's trap.
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(02-01-2017, 04:41 PM)Qvait Wrote: Well, let's hope your country makes the right decision. By the way, be on the lookout for Russian interference. They're gonna try to influence the minds of the voters by leaking damaging material on candidates or creating Twitter accounts that look German. They did that with Hillary Clinton, they might as well do it with Angela Merkel or any challenger who is not pro-Russia. I urge you not to make the decision that the UK and my country made. Please don't fall for Russia's trap.

Russia got RT Germany here and those social-bots will be used by the AfD (they announced that publicly).
I don't want to argue with you or anyone else about Russia now, but I think, we will make a right decision.
Germany with its past and (that's sadly true) as one of the nations, if not THE nation, most profiting of the EU won't do this mistake again.
84% are against the AfD, "only" 11% rn are for them. It maybe will be difficult for the "winner party" to have a coalition at the end, which they are content with, but we will not fall (entirely) for the new right.
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(02-01-2017, 07:29 PM)GI-Land Wrote: Russia got RT Germany here and those social-bots will be used by the AfD (they announced that publicly).
I don't want to argue with you or anyone else about Russia now, but I think, we will make a right decision.
Germany with its past and (that's sadly true) as one of the nations, if not THE nation, most profiting of the EU won't do this mistake again.
84% are against the AfD, "only" 11% rn are for them. It maybe will be difficult for the "winner party" to have a coalition at the end, which they are content with, but we will not fall (entirely) for the new right.

RT and Fox News hand in hand. The press are just being hammered by the far right. CNN is now called fake news by the Trumpsters. I learned the word "lügenpresse" from a video of Richard Spencer, an alt-right neo-Nazi who supported Donald Trump, "Hail Trump! Hail our people!" Good lord! Even worse, we have one of those people in the White House by the name of Steve Bannon. I caught what British MP Dennis Skinner said about Trump when watching a video from CNN's Twitter account and I couldn't agree with it more.

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#39

Qvait Wrote:What needs to happen is you find a candidate who isn't moderately-far-left (Bernie) or center-right (Hillary). We need a candidate that is center-left, one that can reconcile both the Bernie and Hillary Democrats. The truth of the matter is, the Democrats need Bernie Sanders for the grassroots (he won Wisconsin and Michigan) and we need "the establishment" for their money. Yeah, I hate the big donors. However, since the Citizens United Supreme Court decision, we are playing by their rules. We'll take their sword and use it against them. However, the grassroots needs attention first. State legislators, governorships, and congressional seats are up for grabs before 2020, and we need every last one of them. When the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, minorities who vote Democratic were targeted by discriminatory voter ID laws passed by Republican state legislatures and governors (North Carolina and Wisconsin). The Census is coming up in 2020 as well. With that comes redistricting, and that means gerrymandering by the Republicans. We need to stop that in its tracks. The Democratic Party needs to get busy, right now.

I'll have to disagree on this one. If you take establishment money you'll be seen as hypocrites. Bernie Sanders (who I wouldn't describe as far-left in the slightest) didn't take money from donors, but came close to beating Clinton on the primaries (and some say he could have beaten Trump too) and could have possibly done so, if not for the DNC rigging them. It has been argued that one of the reasons Hillary lost is the fact that she was seen as an "establishment" candidate and a hypocrite pledging to "regulate Wall Street" while taking millions from them.
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(02-01-2017, 11:09 PM)RandomGuy199 Wrote:
Qvait Wrote:What needs to happen is you find a candidate who isn't moderately-far-left (Bernie) or center-right (Hillary). We need a candidate that is center-left, one that can reconcile both the Bernie and Hillary Democrats. The truth of the matter is, the Democrats need Bernie Sanders for the grassroots (he won Wisconsin and Michigan) and we need "the establishment" for their money. Yeah, I hate the big donors. However, since the Citizens United Supreme Court decision, we are playing by their rules. We'll take their sword and use it against them. However, the grassroots needs attention first. State legislators, governorships, and congressional seats are up for grabs before 2020, and we need every last one of them. When the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, minorities who vote Democratic were targeted by discriminatory voter ID laws passed by Republican state legislatures and governors (North Carolina and Wisconsin). The Census is coming up in 2020 as well. With that comes redistricting, and that means gerrymandering by the Republicans. We need to stop that in its tracks. The Democratic Party needs to get busy, right now.

I'll have to disagree on this one. If you take establishment money you'll be seen as hypocrites. Bernie Sanders (who I wouldn't describe as far-left in the slightest) didn't take money from donors, but came close to beating Clinton on the primaries (and some say he could have beaten Trump too) and could have possibly done so, if not for the DNC rigging them. It has been argued that one of the reasons Hillary lost is the fact that she was seen as an "establishment" candidate and a hypocrite pledging to "regulate Wall Street" while taking millions from them.

That is true. And, I forgot that the American political spectrum is skewed to the right. Bernie would be just left. However, one thing's for sure, Hillary is on the right. Before 2020, the Democrats should introduce a constitutional amendment banning political donations from corporations and unions. We need to be the party of the people. The Republicans are not. They take money from Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big whatever. The Koch brothers considered donating a BILLION (with a "b") dollars to elect a Republican President in 2016. That's not the party of the people.

The Democratic National Committee is run by Clinton Democrats, but they have a chairmanship election this month. My hope is that Keith Ellison is elected as the chair. As a Democrat from the Midwest, he can understand people in Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. He has the backing of Bernie Sanders, former Minority Leader Harry Reid, current Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, eight other Senators, civil rights icon John Lewis, 27 other Representatives, and my Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom.
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