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[DISCUSSION] In-Game Governance
#31

Speaking as someone who is pretty much a card-carrying userite, I think there's a lot of misconceptions happening in this thread in regards to the potential benefits a UCR could see from affiliating itself with The South Pacific in such a manner. While I also feel the need to address the potential change of perception in regards to what the Coalition is, that's a debate whereas I view some of the views towards UCRs here as just wrong.

Ultimately, Belschaft has a pretty apt summary of my general points here. A user created region gains very little from this that it doesn't already have the ability to gain, if we're discussing factors such as shared forums and resources.

Quote:I think a lot of UCRs with forums (such as Forest) have almost dead forums with just the founder\delegate posting and so we would consolidate by adding more people to our own forums and managing them (like admin for example) for them so they don't go completely inactive or die out or not exist because they don't know anything about technical stuff.

Yes, those forums might be more inactive than natives would prefer, but what you're proposing is those UCRs effectively giving up their sovereign right to control their own off-site property. By merging forums like that, as I doubt The South Pacific would be willing to give Admin to a representative of every UCR that would associate with it, they lose the power to manage their own forums how they wish, have to rely on Admins they might not know and trust for the tasks they need to happen, and would be subject to the rules of The South Pacific in all matters. Furthermore, there's a misconception here that inactivity comes from a lack of technical ability. Zetaboards, for example, is very easy to Administrate, and I don't think I've ever seen a major UCR region fail due to Admin Inability. If you're looking to incorporate regions who have forums, yet whose administrative teams are that lacking in the technical aspects of forums, you're likely not incorporating any regions that could be considered "major" or "relevant"

As for those regions who not use off-site forums at all, what is the benefit of incorporating them like this? Escade claims it could give them a potential place to store maps and documents if they get griefed, but dispatches and gameside forum posts are frankly more secure than any off-site forum. It would also mean you'd have to convince them to trust a 3rd Party to hold all of their documents, potentially restricting their ability to delete their own intellectual property if they wish.

I struggle to see the value of affiliating with a GCR to this extent for any UCR that doesn't either result in a loss of sovereignty and personality for a UCR or a situation where The South Pacific has to effectively babysit a minor UCR that's not large enough to sustain itself and not relevant enough to improve our own standing.

Tsunamy also raises potential things such as using UCRs to bolster our military, but again, that's implying that a UCR wishes to give up its sovereignty to be completely under TSP's dominion. Would they get equal control of the military? Would they get to make calls just as much as the MoMA? I certainly can't visualize that, and I struggle to see how such an affiliation is a positive.

UCRs and GCRs are fundamentally different, and players pick UCRs for the things they have which GCRs don't. I don't foresee attempting to effectively turn UCRs into little branches of a GCR being received as anything besides poorly-feigned imperialism. If we want to build close relationships with UCRs, why not simply make more use of our treaties and forge those connections more?



As for the larger topic at hand here, that being the divide between the region and the forum, I just don't think that this is the way to do it. My opinions are pretty well known, afterall, I believe in forum supremacy and believe that the best method for connecting the two would be to strengthen the connection between region and forum with an emphasis on the fact that the forum is the part of the region where "everything goes on" so to speak.

While an in-game government idea could work in a UCR, maybe, GCRs are a lot bigger, have a lot more new nations, and have a lot more chaos within their Regional Message Boards. I see it as too much chaos, too little structure, and ultimately could lead to a situation in which the forum becomes less and less used because nations see less incentive to join it. We should be creating more incentive to join our off-site forum, not disconnecting it from the region more.
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#32

Yes, Roavin. I agree! Ah, mm, quite the proposal. I think this could possibly be the best thing possible for TSP, mm. Ahh, a transformation, yes.

Let us tear down this wall that has kept us and our bull-headed bureaucracy secluded from yet dominant over the true citizens of TSP. Ahh, mm, yes. I can see it now. We can really make TSP a purist GCR. Mm, yes. Let us break the chains we have shackled our unsuspecting subjects in for far too long.




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