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[DISCUSSION] In-Game Governance
#21

Voluntary associations in a confederation isn't imperialism. TSP can be a metropole without being an iron fist.

The biggest hurdle to this idea isn't the organization of a con/federation, but rather what incentives there would be do join in the first place.


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#22

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#23

(02-21-2017, 10:19 AM)sandaoguo Wrote: Voluntary associations in a confederation isn't imperialism. TSP can be a metropole without being an iron fist.

The biggest hurdle to this idea isn't the organization of a con/federation, but rather what incentives there would be do join in the first place.


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So, I agree with this. I think we should be spreading the ideals of TSP because I think we do a pretty effing good job on being a democratic region, even if it gets messy at times.

As Kris pointed out, we don't want to have a smaller region that simply uses us as a recruitment base. But — if we can use UCRs for a bit more activity, I think this could be a win.

In fairness, I know I've discussed at one point sharing the forums with smaller regions. (I don't know if I did that publicly or just floated that idea to the other admins — likely the later.) I still this this is a strong way for us to bulk up our activity and cultural events, as well as military forces. When our active legislator count hovers in the 20/30-range, a handful can make a difference.
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#24

Dear Kris,

I will read your post at length and possibly agree or disagree on some stuff but <3 you Smile

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#25

Kris,

good job. You started out (and ended with) self-pity, went into a long and emotional text that misconstrued what I was saying, and managed to completely shut down the otherwise productive discussion in this thread. I literally don't have the time to go through and dissect all the little details you constructed in those 1359 words to maximize the impression that I was trying to push towards a big-brother imperialist TSP. Details such as implying foreign expansion would be a primary goal (bullshit), that I was using it for political gain that I shared intelligence with the CRS (bullshit), that I want to overpoliticize the Local Council (bullshit), and many others.

But I do have to point this out:

(02-21-2017, 10:34 AM)Kris Kringle Wrote: I have no idea in what context you have dealt with the Committee

It's been the Council, not the Committee for close to 9 months now. But anyway, Councilman Kringalia, I have had many dealings with the Council that you are on in the past months.

(02-21-2017, 10:34 AM)Kris Kringle Wrote: You keep assuming the Committee is incompetent

I wonder why.
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#26

(02-21-2017, 11:57 AM)Tsunamy Wrote: In fairness, I know I've discussed at one point sharing the forums with smaller regions. (I don't know if I did that publicly or just floated that idea to the other admins — likely the later.) I still this this is a strong way for us to bulk up our activity and cultural events, as well as military forces. When our active legislator count hovers in the 20/30-range, a handful can make a difference.

You know, this may actually be a great first step. The general idea is to get them onto the shared forum, playing spam games together, participating in our canon RP, maybe then helping in cultural events, etc.. From that point, the next step of allowing those from that region to become legislators as well isn't that great a step.
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#27

(02-23-2017, 08:04 PM)Roavin Wrote:
(02-21-2017, 11:57 AM)Tsunamy Wrote: In fairness, I know I've discussed at one point sharing the forums with smaller regions. (I don't know if I did that publicly or just floated that idea to the other admins — likely the later.) I still this this is a strong way for us to bulk up our activity and cultural events, as well as military forces. When our active legislator count hovers in the 20/30-range, a handful can make a difference.

You know, this may actually be a great first step. The general idea is to get them onto the shared forum, playing spam games together, participating in our canon RP, maybe then helping in cultural events, etc.. From that point, the next step of allowing those from that region to become legislators as well isn't that great a step.

But — we don't want them having their own forums, too. Then, we just have a wide open region.
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#28

(02-23-2017, 10:42 PM)Tsunamy Wrote:
(02-23-2017, 08:04 PM)Roavin Wrote: You know, this may actually be a great first step. The general idea is to get them onto the shared forum, playing spam games together, participating in our canon RP, maybe then helping in cultural events, etc.. From that point, the next step of allowing those from that region to become legislators as well isn't that great a step.

But — we don't want them having their own forums, too. Then, we just have a wide open region.

Agreed. But if we can get them on here first, that'd be a good start. Maybe Discord too. This is exactly what I meant, btw - we share our resources, they pay back with activity, and it's win-win. Smile

Maybe that's actually the way to start - get them happy and participating on the forum first, then think about the rest, instead of the other way around.
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#29

Considering the ease of setting up a free forum via zetaboards or something similar, I don't see how offering "space" on our own forums is an attractive deal for any UCR region.

The only reasons I can imagine for them taking it up would be non-benign ones; to hope to associate themselves with us and gain prestige, to seek to influence us and gain power/control, or to seek to recruit from us and leach activity to their own regions.
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#30

Bel, I think a lot of UCRs with forums (such as Forest) have almost dead forums with just the founder\delegate posting and so we would consolidate by adding more people to our own forums and managing them (like admin for example) for them so they don't go completely inactive or die out or not exist because they don't know anything about technical stuff.

It would also give them a place to store their maps\etc in case of being griefed.

For us the benefits would be more citizens, people who can cross RP\etc, and this role of guiding and helping newer players and UCRs who might otherwise have difficulty staying afloat.

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