1. Publishing of Cabinet Discussion

(1) The discussions of the Cabinet shall be released every 8 months for public archival accessible to all members of The South Pacific.

(2) The Cabinet may elect not to release threads, or parts of threads, that address ongoing issues or threaten regional security. These threads must be released as soon as reasonably possible and appropriate.

(3) The Cabinet shall regularly update the classification status of its discussions and not abuse the classification system to prevent its discussions from being published.

(4) The Cabinet may publish its discussions at earlier intervals at its discretion or if it has been petitioned to do so by a member legislator.

2. Failure to Publish Cabinet Discussions

(1) The Cabinet may refuse to publish a discussion that has been petitioned by a member.
a. The reasons for which as well as the discussions in questions must be made available to the High Court.
b. The High Court may overturn the Cabinet refusal to publish a discussion.

(2) In the event that Cabinet discussions older than 8 months have failed to be published, the current Cabinet must publish those discussions in a speedy manner.

32. Publishing of High Court Proceedings

3. Publishing of Council of Regional Security Discussions


(1) The discussions of the Council shall be released every 8 months for public archival accessible to all members of The South Pacific.

(2) The Council may elect not to release threads, or parts of threads, that address ongoing issues or threaten regional security. These threads must be released as soon as reasonably possible and appropriate.

(3) The Council shall regularly update the classification status of its discussions.

(4) The Council may publish its discussions at earlier intervals at its discretion or if it has been petitioned to do so by a legislator

4. Failure to Publish Organization’s Discussions

(1) A government organization may refuse to publish a discussion that has been petitioned by a legislator.
a. The reasons for which, as well as the discussions in questions, must be made available to the High Court.
b. The High Court may overturn an organization’s refusal to publish a discussion.

(2) In the event that an organization’s discussions older than 8 months have failed to be published, the current members of said organization must publish those discussions in a speedy manner.

This is the one motioned! Thanks for catching the error!

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-Current Roles/Positions
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-High Court Justice 6/7/20-
-South Pacific Coral Guard 11/17/20-
-Minister of Engagement 6/17/22-

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-Legislator 7/3/16-4/10/18
-Secretary of State 4/3/20-2/24/21
-Chair of the APC 9/24/16-5/31/17
-Vice-Chair of the APC 6/1/17-4/10/18
-Local Council Member 7/1/17-11/17/17
-Citizen 5/2012-12/2014 and  2/26/16-7/3/2016

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I don't mean to be a pain, @"Griffindor13", but there are strike-throughs missing from Article 1 now. Sorry, I know it's annoying, but absent the correct formatting I'm not allowed to bring anything to vote and there's no language allowing the Chair to bring the formatting of proposed legislation into compliance on his own. That's something we may want to look at, but for now I'll have to just be a pain about the formatting.

(This post was last modified: 05-15-2017, 03:36 PM by Cormac.)

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This should be what you need.

1. Publishing of Cabinet Discussion

(1) The discussions of the Cabinet shall be released every 8 months for public archival accessible to all members of The South Pacific.

(2) The Cabinet may elect not to release threads, or parts of threads, that address ongoing issues or threaten regional security. These threads must be released as soon as reasonably possible and appropriate.

(3) The Cabinet shall regularly update the classification status of its discussions and not abuse the classification system to prevent its discussions from being published.

(4) The Cabinet may publish its discussions at earlier intervals at its discretion or if it has been petitioned to do so by a member legislator.

2. Failure to Publish Cabinet Discussions

(1) The Cabinet may refuse to publish a discussion that has been petitioned by a member.
a. The reasons for which as well as the discussions in questions must be made available to the High Court.
b. The High Court may overturn the Cabinet refusal to publish a discussion.

(2) In the event that Cabinet discussions older than 8 months have failed to be published, the current Cabinet must publish those discussions in a speedy manner.

32. Publishing of High Court Proceedings

[...]

3. Publishing of Council of Regional Security Discussions


(1) The discussions of the Council shall be released every 8 months for public archival accessible to all members of The South Pacific.

(2) The Council may elect not to release threads, or parts of threads, that address ongoing issues or threaten regional security. These threads must be released as soon as reasonably possible and appropriate.

(3) The Council shall regularly update the classification status of its discussions.

(4) The Council may publish its discussions at earlier intervals at its discretion or if it has been petitioned to do so by a legislator

4. Failure to Publish Organization’s Discussions

(1) A government organization may refuse to publish a discussion that has been petitioned by a legislator.
a. The reasons for which, as well as the discussions in questions, must be made available to the High Court.
b. The High Court may overturn an organization’s refusal to publish a discussion.

(2) In the event that an organization’s discussions older than 8 months have failed to be published, the current members of said organization must publish those discussions in a speedy manner.

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The title of Article 1 and Article 1, Section 1 can't be in there either. Sigh.

(This post was last modified: 05-15-2017, 03:55 PM by Cormac.)

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The title of Article 1 and Article 1, Section 1 can't be in there either. Sigh.

Seriously?! I think you are reading into 3.4 and 4.1 of the LSA a bit too much.

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The title of Article 1 and Article 1, Section 1 can't be in there either. Sigh.

Seriously?! I think you are reading into 3.4 and 4.1 of the LSA a bit too much.

Article 3, Section 1:

(1) The standard format for an amendment will be to note which section of a law is being amended, and to quote only that part of the law.

The intent behind these provisions as far as I can tell was to ensure that we didn't end up amending errors into the law by copying superfluous language. In the past, there have been amendments that have added the wrong numbering, or added language back into the law that was previously repealed. Given the intent, it's fairly clear to me that the Chair is not supposed to bring anything to vote that quotes superfluous language. That isn't my fault; it's what the Law Standards Act says.

I understand that it's annoying, but I can't just ignore the law for convenience.

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I have to quote that article because it is being amended. I mean I can change it but that is, in my opinion, a horrible interpretation.

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I have to quote that article because it is being amended. I mean I can change it but that is, in my opinion, a horrible interpretation.

The Law Standards Act clearly says to quote only the sections -- not the article -- being amended. Article 1, Section 1 is not being amended. The title of the article is not being amended. You can make clear which article is being amended by putting that in the quote tag:

Code:

[quote='Amendment to Article 1']
...
[/quote]

In the time we've spent debating whether following what the law clearly says is a case of me interpreting the law too strictly, the legislation could have been reformatted and brought to vote. I have to follow legal Assembly procedure, whether anyone, myself included, likes it or not.

(This post was last modified: 05-15-2017, 04:58 PM by Cormac.)

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Apologies for the double post. Here is what the reformatted legislation could look like. I will be happy to move this reformatted version to vote with the okay from @"Griffindor13" or @Omega. The earlier motion and second still applies since this is just a reformat.

[...]

(2) The Cabinet may institute a classification system to ensure that discussions that are still undergoing or discussions that would seriously threaten the security of the region are not released too early.The Cabinet may elect not to release threads, or parts of threads, that address ongoing issues or threaten regional security. These threads must be released as soon as reasonably possible and appropriate.

(3) The Cabinet shall regularly update the classification status of its discussions and not abuse the classification system to prevent its discussions from being published.

(4) The Cabinet may publish its discussions at earlier intervals if it wishesat its discretion or if it has been petitioned to do so by a memberlegislator.

2. Failure to Publish Cabinet Discussions

(1) The Cabinet may refuse to publish a discussion that has been petitioned by a member.
a. The reasons for which as well as the discussions in questions must be made available to the High Court.
b. The High Court may overturn the Cabinet refusal to publish a discussion.

(2) In the event that Cabinet discussions older than 8 months have failed to be published, the current Cabinet must publish those discussions in a speedy manner.

32. Publishing of High Court Proceedings

[...]

3. Publishing of Council on Regional Security Discussions

(1) The discussions of the Council shall be released every 8 months for public archival accessible to all members of The South Pacific.

(2) The Council may elect not to release threads, or parts of threads, that address ongoing issues or threaten regional security. These threads must be released as soon as reasonably possible and appropriate.

(3) The Council shall regularly update the classification status of its discussions.

(4) The Council may publish its discussions at earlier intervals at its discretion or if it has been petitioned to do so by a legislator

4. Failure to Publish Organization’s Discussions

(1) A government organization may refuse to publish a discussion that has been petitioned by a legislator.
a. The reasons for which, as well as the discussions in questions, must be made available to the High Court.
b. The High Court may overturn an organization’s refusal to publish a discussion.

(2) In the event that an organization’s discussions older than 8 months have failed to be published, the current members of said organization must publish those discussions in a speedy manner.

(This post was last modified: 05-15-2017, 06:03 PM by Cormac.)

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Okay, it's time we vote on this. I move for (or second the motion for) a vote. Sorry for getting so indignant on this one I was confused as to how we were interpreting section.

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