| [Private Chambers/PASSED] Repeal of Lazarus Treaties |
(04-12-2018, 04:05 PM)North Prarie Wrote: Motion to vote. Its too early to motion to vote. The Legislative Procedure Act states that the proposal has been debated for for at at least the equivalent to the length of its voting period. In this case it must be debated for 5 days before going into voting procedures
It is unfortunate to see the former government of Lazarus fall so far and equally unfortunate that they have acted in such a way that has forced us to consider this path of legislation. Unfortunately, despite any fondness that I or any other legislator within our region has with the Celestial Union, I implore us all to allow this to pass. In all things we must consider the path that best ensures and protects TSP's Autonomy and Reputation both among its own members and among inter-regional opinion across NS. I second the motion to vote and offer my complete support, albeit with heavy trepidation.
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Full support.
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Complete support. TSP should not have anything to do with the unscrupulous carpetbaggers that call themselves the Celestial Union.
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I hope the treaty name can be used in a better situation in the future, I have a fondness for "Friendship and Cooperation."
I feel a lot of pity for the natives of Lazarus and the Celestial Union. A series of missteps and some internal mismanagement\lack of listening to those who were experts in military strategy led to coupers easily winning a fight that could have gone very differently. I hope that we can learn lessons from this and help make TSP stronger against such threats. Support the removal of treaties that are no longer reflecting reality or our present and future relationships. Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest
I too would like more detail on the alleged subversion efforts, because, otherwise, my opinion remains the same as before -regardless of the status of the CU, I do not wish to give the current "Lazarene" regime the satisfaction of seeing the treaty dissolved. If, as you say there has been serious attempts at subversion, then my opinion might change, but I need to understand what has actually happened and I don't think I do right now.
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(04-13-2018, 06:22 PM)Seraph Wrote: I too would like more detail on the alleged subversion efforts, because, otherwise, my opinion remains the same as before -regardless of the status of the CU, I do not wish to give the current "Lazarene" regime the satisfaction of seeing the treaty dissolved. If, as you say there has been serious attempts at subversion, then my opinion might change, but I need to understand what has actually happened and I don't think I do right now. So, given that I've provided two explanations at this point, could you indicate which part of it is unclear? I don't just want to write the same exact thing yet again, so if I know what you're actually looking for, that would help me better explain that specific portion of the situation.
I do think some explanation of the subversion would help or whatever could be reasonably shared maybe with some redactions.
On the personal front, being approached a few times by a highly disorganized member of the resistance to randomly do things was part of the loss of faith for me. The lack of united resistance working together and actually listening the military experts. The other members sort of fading out or giving up. I would never recognize LWU or any non-democratic and native government in Lazarus. It's a tragedy what happened to the CU. Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest |
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