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***sandaoguo*** · 12-28-2018, 08:19 PM

Below is an intelligence brief derived from a 2-year long log TSP's intelligence service received. The log is from a Discord channel known as "The Red Phone", that was used by leaders within the raider community. The briefing consists of several parts of the logs showing extremely alarming activities from Souls, McMannia, and other raiders. There are summaries of the log parts in addition to the logs posted themselves. This is not the full 2-year log, which has not been released due to possible personal information within it.

After extensive discussion with the source, it's been determined that sharing this intelligence would no longer put any intelligence operations in jeopardy. As such, given the great public interest in TSP's security, we have decided to share this briefing with the Assembly.

Click here for a PDF format that may be easier to read. (Note: The PDF has been updated)

Intelligence Briefing
re: Ever-Wandering Souls/The Black Hawks, McMannia & Aav Whitehall/HYDRA

Part A: Conspiracy to overthrow the legitimate Delegate

On August 4, 2017, the Cabinet and the Council on Regional Security noticed a number of suspicious endorsements on Tsunamy. At the time, Drugged Monkeys, the incoming Delegate, was still endo-tarting to maintain a sizeable gap between him and Tsunamy. The gap at the time was small, about 3 endorsements. The Cabinet and CRS worked to increase this gap, so that Tsunamy would not inadvertently become Delegate. The suspicious nations entered TSP and endorsed only Tsunamy. The suspicious nations were ejected.

At the time, we were unsure who had orchestrated the attempt to push Tsunamy into the Delegate seat illegally. We then received intelligence showing Ever-Wandering Souls (Souls, leader) encouraging and counseling McMannia Whitehall to violate TSP’s sovereignty and subvert our Delegate transition. Souls is the first to point out the opportunity. He declines to provide the troops necessary, as The Black Hawks had a raid planned for that night. Instead, he helps McMannia by suggesting how to best execute the operation and who to contact. After the operation failed, Souls then offered advice when McMannia wanted to take credit for the attempt.

Part B: Conspiring to spam festival

The evidence also uncovered a conspiracy to spam TSP’s “Game of Thrones” themed festival. Souls planned to create false identities using proxies or VPNs, and puppet nations. They would then spam the festival with gibberish, hoping that maintaining GoT-related avatars would provide cover for any negative blowback. This plan was abandoned when Souls learned that the festival would take place on Discord and not on the forums, as it’s more difficult to use multiple accounts on Discord.

Part C: Espionage

The Cabinet and the Council on Regional Security were aware that someone was leaking privileged information from the forums and Discord server, that was being used against us. We suspected it was Aav Whitehall, but lacked definitive proof. The evidence collected through intelligence ops showed a long-term operation to infiltrate TSP and exfiltrate privileged information. McMannia Whitehall led this operation and Aav was the primary spy.

Souls was fully aware of the ongoing operation and who was involved. He offered advice on what kind of information to steal and how to use it. He regularly checked up on the status of the operation.

Part D: Encouraging infiltration and destruction of the Coalition

The intelligence shows that Souls encouraged and tried to recruit players to infiltrate TSP and destroy the legitimate government. He asks specific people to create fake identities and enter TSP with the explicit goal of fomenting internal conflict and causing a coup. Then he revealed that he wanted to “burn all the rot” and “forcibly cleanse” TSP, and install a raider government that he would lead. He explained that he couldn’t dedicate the time to do it himself, which is why he wanted to recruit others in the group to do it instead.

It’s worth noting that this would qualify as treason, as would the attempted subversion of Drugged Monkey’s Delegate transition, if Souls was a member of the Coalition.

Conclusion

It is simply not credible to describe the exchanges in The Red Phone logs as off-the-cuff jokes that one shouldn’t worry about. Certainly, people joke in this game. But not everybody recruits and coaches spies, encourages infiltration, and seriously advocates the destruction of another region’s government. Tongue-in-cheek is recognizable by the average person at first glance. It begs credulity to think the average person would not walk away from these logs thinking Souls harbors a serious desire to destroy the Coalition and has been complicit in its infiltration. Indeed, the logs show that Souls was particularly concerned about the leaking of the TSP infiltration talks, launching his own inquisition to figure out who the leak was.

The logs show a significant amount of planning and strategizing. They show knowledge of and encouragement of infiltration and espionage. What Souls, McMannia, and Aav Whitehall committed was an attempt, successful or otherwise, to infiltrate the Coalition for the purposes of destabilizing it, with Souls providing the explicitly stated end-goal of overthrowing the legitimate government.

Legally, it is difficult to fathom how the intelligence does not show clearly that a proscription would meet the defined “acts of hostility.” The Proscription Act requires one of five definitions of hostility to be met. The intelligence shows coordinated espionage, an attempt to sabotage a Delegate transition (which was a military operation), and a very clear and pronounced desire to destroy the Coalition, including strategizing and advising on how best to do it and recruiting people to do it.

Evidence Annex

Evidence A: Conspiracy to overthrow the legitimate Delegate

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Souls 02-Aug-17 04:46 AM

You know

if anyone wanted to fuck with TSP

Tsu is only 5e behind Drugged Monkeys(edited)

Sygian 02-Aug-17 04:51 AM

haaaaa

Brisko 02-Aug-17 06:53 AM

Amazing

Souls 02-Aug-17 06:54 AM

I've been watching it for a few days

They've both gone up like 20e

But have stayed 5-6e apart

It's just asking for someone to fuck with it

Souls 03-Aug-17 10:11 AM

3e

Souls 03-Aug-17 09:50 PM

2e

come on(edited)

Eliot Isaraider 03-Aug-17 09:51 PM

Who has 2e?

Souls 03-Aug-17 09:51 PM

that's the gap between the TSP del and one of their security folks

383-385

Eliot Isaraider 03-Aug-17 09:52 PM

Oh

Souls 03-Aug-17 09:52 PM

It's asking for someone to fuck with them

and no one has

Eliot Isaraider 03-Aug-17 09:52 PM

That'd be kinda funny to put the security dude over the edge

Souls 03-Aug-17 09:52 PM

....

yes, that is indeed what I have been saying for days

Brisko 03-Aug-17 09:52 PM

Slow on the intake there

Eliot Isaraider 03-Aug-17 09:53 PM

I've been gone for a bit

Souls 03-Aug-17 09:53 PM

I'd even say, it'd be fitting of an org that's helping Laz to mess with an org opossing it ?

Tie up SPSF endos and time protecting their own system

Sygian 03-Aug-17 09:56 PM

That's sad

TSP proves that democracy is bad

Mcmannia Whitehall 03-Aug-17 10:09 PM

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others." - Winston Churchill

Souls 03-Aug-17 10:10 PM

but are you gonna push it mcmann

Mcmannia Whitehall 03-Aug-17 10:17 PM

Fuck yes

Souls 04-Aug-17 02:56 AM

Tonight?

Sygian 04-Aug-17 03:20 AM

No u

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:21 AM

#fucksyg'sgetmoney

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 03:21 AM

lol

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:30 AM

do you want to help out with this souls? Because it looks like the gap between the two people grew a bit since minor update

delegates up to 388

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:31 AM

Lol they noticed it got a little too close

DM even withdrew his endo

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:32 AM

well now that they noticed, this might be more tricky

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:33 AM

it's only back up to 5

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 03:33 AM

hmmmmm

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:34 AM

considering how last minute this is, thats gonna make things complicated

especially since Im trying to keep roland out of the loop

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:34 AM

Maybe reach out to TRE?

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:40 AM

they declined

we're reaching out to the invaders

as much as it makes me retch

they'd jump on this opportunity

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:41 AM

raises eyebrow

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 03:41 AM

this is totally Gest's thing

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:41 AM

there's not even anyone left there really

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 03:41 AM

really?

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:41 AM

Even Hired Contractor jumped ship to TBH ?

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 03:42 AM

lol

Sygian 04-Aug-17 03:42 AM

Oh yeah good idea

Make your org even more incompetent by cooperating with the invaders to do something that is one of the only things less effective than raiding regions itself(edited)

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:42 AM

well this was souls idea

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

I mean, I'd think you could turn up 6e on your own?(edited)

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

we're just the only group brave enough to actually do it

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

As an entire org? ?

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

I could

Sygian 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

I'm not saying Souls idea is shit

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

but not without going public to all our troops

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

we could try, but we don't want to alert one of our cosmos

Sygian 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

I'll have you know I did the same thing in Laz and TEP

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

someone is bound to leak this

probably roland

Sygian 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

I'm just saying why the literal fuck would you ask TI to help you

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

that's the cosmo i'm talking about

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

why is somoene you cannot trust not to leak still a member of your org?(edited)

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:43 AM

because you said nah, TRE said no

Sygian 04-Aug-17 03:44 AM

With something that will do nothing except get a little bit of laughs

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:44 AM

i completely forgot about kgb

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:44 AM

Then poke owen

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:44 AM

so TI were the only ones left on the roledex

August 04-Aug-17 03:44 AM

Is there a server for this?

TBH?

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:44 AM

we didnt bother setting one up

this isnt really an op

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:44 AM

Lol, no

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 03:44 AM

I can set one up

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:44 AM

I don't plan on joining the political shitstorm quite yet

August 04-Aug-17 03:45 AM

I have three updaters, but they ain't going to trigger themselves.

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:45 AM

I just enjoy pointing out the oppurtunity and hoping someone will take it xD

We also have a big tag planned.

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:47 AM

I have to go feed the dog, eliot will take over for me

August 04-Aug-17 03:47 AM

Well, seven would be needed, and I do not have seven tonight. If anyone else wants to, speak now.

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:47 AM

Hydra has some

just apprently not 6 ?

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 03:48 AM

We have plenty

but not without causing noise

noise that would get back to TSP

Souls 04-Aug-17 03:48 AM

Then do what you can and also take august's 3?

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 03:49 AM

https://discord.gg/T5wPu

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 04:47 AM

Since PT Huo is now director of hydra, is it okay if I invite him here?

Souls 04-Aug-17 04:50 AM

you and eliot are already here

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 04:50 AM

I'm technically not a leader

I've just been in the Cabal for a while

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:02 AM

Looking forwards

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 06:08 AM

I wonder how the south pacificans will react

mild amusement or indifference?

August 04-Aug-17 06:08 AM

Unbridled rage.

Violation of sovereignty, yadda yadda.

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 06:08 AM

they'll probably assume laz was involved

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 06:08 AM

lol

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 06:10 AM

seeing as hydra is rolling the ball on this one

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:11 AM

gotta leave you a few of the fun hits ?

seeing as we stole all the delegate streaks and all

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 06:11 AM

haha, thanks souls

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 06:12 AM

in fact i wouldnt be surprised if they accuse lazarus of being the orchestrators(edited)

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:15 AM

4ish mins ?

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 06:16 AM

glad to see you agree with elfins trigger

she had it at 20 mins in

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 06:16 AM

This should be good then

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:16 AM

tsp is usually 18-19ish

so sounds about right

there it goes now

early today

did you miss it?

we will see.

endorsed mid-update

still running

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 06:18 AM

the update for tsp is still going?

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:18 AM

eyup

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 06:18 AM

so we might have hit

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:18 AM

del changes come last...the question is whether endos are counted last orwhen the nations in question update

because tsu may have updated before you endorsed them

looks like a miss.

85e counted

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 06:19 AM

looks like a bunch of nations endoing him CTE'd

bringing us below the threshold

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 06:20 AM

Damn

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:20 AM

that could be true too

might still cause a mess if someone noticed ?

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 06:20 AM

I'll put a hail hydra in their RMB anyway

so they notice

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:21 AM

or don't

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 06:21 AM

Yeah, dont

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:21 AM

let them play guessing games at whodunnit

more fun

by far

more fire thrown in GP

I may have hinted to the budding newb newpaper in GP that Tsu was gonna coup TSP too just now....

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 06:22 AM

Amazing

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:22 AM

anonymously of course

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 06:22 AM

should I post a completely ambiguous "well we tried" in their RMB?

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 06:22 AM

That is how shit gets started in GP

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:22 AM

no no no mcmann

let them make their own shit up entirely

?

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 06:23 AM

so this may lead to a civil war in TSP

if we're lucky

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:23 AM

Unlikely

they trust tsu

Mcmannia Whitehall 04-Aug-17 06:23 AM

or at the very least hurt feelings

Souls 04-Aug-17 06:23 AM

but it will lead to some accusations and shit-slinging in GP

As folks try to find who is to blame

and probably blame Laz

Eliot Isaraider 04-Aug-17 06:24 AM

Perfect

I love stuff like this

Evidence B: Conspiring to spam festival

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Souls 29-Aug-17 08:01 PM

Okay so so so

I just had a brilliant idea

An idea

An awful idea.

a wonderful, awful idea!

Brisko 29-Aug-17 08:05 PM

Oh?

PT Huo 29-Aug-17 08:08 PM

Tell us

Souls 29-Aug-17 08:08 PM

Alright so

Here's how it goes

It walks the line between butthurt and legitimately hilarious

So

We....show up to TSP's festival. En masse.

But here's the catch

Use burner emails to register. No one uses their name. Instead, we each are: Night King. Wight 4. Undead Bear. Ice Giant. Etc.

We only post stuff like "GRAAAAARW"

We invade it as the army of the undead

It's in canon

And some folks should laugh, even if others get pissed at it being spammy xD

Peg. 29-Aug-17 08:13 PM

I'd be up for it

Souls 29-Aug-17 08:14 PM

Get like a dozenish people on board

PT Huo 29-Aug-17 08:14 PM

On their forums?

Mcmannia Whitehall 29-Aug-17 08:14 PM

I will happily show up to that

Souls 29-Aug-17 08:15 PM

Cons: could get yelled at for being spammy. IP's given to TSP.

Counter to cons: it's canon, and by going in anon, ip's are less useful.

Wherever the event is, PT.

Mcmannia Whitehall 29-Aug-17 08:15 PM

Icedragon401 says rarrr

Souls 29-Aug-17 08:16 PM

Yeah, profile pics of what we are, usernames of what we are, only post groans, roars, and throws ice spear everywhere

Be the undead invasion

Mcmannia Whitehall 29-Aug-17 08:16 PM

breaths fire, knocks down wall

Souls 29-Aug-17 08:16 PM

We should also, for maximum impact, wait until a bit into the event, and then all show up at once

Just like in the show xD

Peg. 29-Aug-17 08:16 PM

Yass

Mcmannia Whitehall 29-Aug-17 08:20 PM

Maybe we should get an ice dragon to knock down trumps wall

?

PT Huo 29-Aug-17 08:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tE6T-ecmg

Souls 29-Aug-17 08:21 PM

It's memey enough that they shouldn't be able to bitch too much.

After all, they can just ban the accounts if they don't want them there

Alright, so what day does this shit started again?

PT Huo 29-Aug-17 08:29 PM

It's going to be hosted on the TSP and NPO forums(edited)

I take that back

It's going to be held in a special Discord link

Souls 29-Aug-17 08:30 PM

Only on Discord???

PT Huo 29-Aug-17 08:30 PM

https://discord.gg/EEVRhNg

I think it already started

Brisko 29-Aug-17 08:32 PM

lol nigga why

Peg. 29-Aug-17 08:34 PM

Oh well, time for the most obscure of my discord alt accounts :^)

Souls 29-Aug-17 08:36 PM

Yeaaaaaah

That puts a damper on

Making anotherfisocrd account is a pain

They're doing that whole list of crap entirely in a ducking discord?

Evidence C: Espionage

C.1

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Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Nov-17 04:29 AM

the south pacific op is coming to a close

we're gonna begin compiling everything we stole for release and prepare to pull our operative out

Avakael 27-Nov-17 04:38 AM

Neat

Anything actually incriminating?

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Nov-17 04:38 AM

honestly i havent gone through it all

its a lot of shit, and ive been busy moving across the country

but we have massive amounts of chatlogs, including private ones

along with the entire history of their court system, all the private rulings and everything

Avakael 27-Nov-17 04:39 AM

I can go through some stuff if you want

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Nov-17 04:40 AM

once we start compiling i'll send you guys file links

my wifi is really slow tonight, any files would take forever to load

#fuckinResidenceInn

Avakael 27-Nov-17 04:40 AM

Aight

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Nov-17 04:41 AM

the logs have to be converted anyways

right now they need a special tool to read

Lord Savaer 27-Nov-17 04:41 AM

Tennessee itself doesn't help matters either

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Nov-17 04:41 AM

we had a tool that lets you download the entire history of any discord channel you enter

it exports them in a special format that can only be read with a special webtool

here's something i CAN share now, since its already prepped for release

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQdLTAFHIvkXR8r-2QATREIQl51NFOjCjq7sg_imBbsgJu3yddotaCOOFXrl7IAbKRR9qXHPkOSFFf-/pubhtml

thats a database of every court ruling theyve ever made since 2013,

our spy copied it and uploaded it to google docs

Avakael 27-Nov-17 05:47 AM

The rulings themselves are meaningless, but the evidence vand means used to gather it would be worth looking at.

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Nov-17 10:33 PM

right now im just wondering what the right way to leak this all is

i dont know what kind of reaction moderation would have if I just posted this all in the GP forums

Lord Savaer 28-Nov-17 12:02 AM

They'd probably get butthurt. Don't know if they could do anything about it, though.

Mcmannia Whitehall 28-Nov-17 02:15 AM

just cleared it with moderation(edited)

as long as we go through it and censor or remove any personal info that TSP members may have mentioned in chat, we are free and clear to leak leak leak

probably in a day or two once we've organized everything and created outlines for all the juicy info

Lord Savaer 28-Nov-17 02:19 AM

Nice

Mcmannia Whitehall 28-Nov-17 02:20 AM

@Brisko looks like NS is gonna get that new spying scandal after all

Brisko 28-Nov-17 02:20 AM

neat

Mcmannia Whitehall 28-Nov-17 02:21 AM

i look forward to at least one person sending me threatening messages

or hate mail

Brisko 28-Nov-17 02:21 AM

i hope what you got has actual substance to it

Mcmannia Whitehall 28-Nov-17 02:21 AM

we've got enough material to go through that Im sure some stuff will come up

their new anti CAIN stance (which they havent publicized yet) is sure to draw some attention

Brisko 28-Nov-17 02:27 AM

I doubt it

did you miss the whole Brunhilde thing

CAIN's his baby, everyone should want it gone(edited)

Mcmannia Whitehall 28-Nov-17 02:56 AM

I did not miss it

Souls 28-Nov-17 02:57 AM

>>we've got enough material to go through that Im sure some stuff will come up

lesson one

count no chickens before they've hatched

C2

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Mcmannia Whitehall 12-Dec-17 05:10 AM

so who wants to see what we stole from TSP

we're still going through it all to delete any personal info we find

but its all compiled

so if you guys want a look at the (uncensored) results of our labor

@everyone

http[redacted link]

here it is

Altino 12-Dec-17 05:15 AM

Fancy

And nah, he didn't defect, he's just in KGB and Euro both now. But KGB did just vote to skip being Raiders and become independent, so there's another interesting thing. So far as KGB military can be considered interesting anyway. :p

Avakael 12-Dec-17 05:31 AM

What do I use to open the logs

Mcmannia Whitehall 12-Dec-17 05:35 AM

https://dht.chylex.com/build/viewer.html

im working on a preliminary version of our annoucement statement

"Breaking News: TSP's secrets leave it for another region. Major Defender region gets punked by ded meme region in stunning turn of events as the secrets they hold so dear have left them, claiming the relationship just "wasnt working". We now go live to TSP for comment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLznOUpNH8";

Souls 12-Dec-17 05:40 AM

here's the thing, mcmannia

Mcmannia Whitehall 12-Dec-17 05:40 AM

Im trying to come up with something cheeky yet funny(edited)

Souls 12-Dec-17 05:40 AM

you've yet to name a single actually juicy thing you've found

right now you're 100% spin

you don't have steaming dog shit until you actually point out something interesting

?

Mcmannia Whitehall 12-Dec-17 05:41 AM

you try going through a years worth of logs by yourself

it takes time

Souls 12-Dec-17 05:41 AM

All you have right now is "we gained basic citizenship plus maybe a bit more, and scraped logs for dayyyyyys"

Mcmannia Whitehall 12-Dec-17 05:41 AM

years technically

but yes

Souls 12-Dec-17 05:41 AM

which, sure, say that and dump and let the world look at if you want, but that's no huge feat

even finding something is less a huge feat and more "they were sloppy with this info"

Mcmannia Whitehall 12-Dec-17 05:42 AM

they are indeed sloppy

Souls 12-Dec-17 05:42 AM

As I understand it, you didn't even get into the highest of chats, so you're looking for somewhere they slipped up, really...and not just were joking, too.

Mcmannia Whitehall 12-Dec-17 05:43 AM

they havent even revoked our operatives permissions even though he resigned over a week ago

Souls 12-Dec-17 05:43 AM

If you don't pick something good out, you just look silly and petty ?

Hell, I've called people out for threatening to randomly logdump the Nest

Mcmannia Whitehall 12-Dec-17 05:43 AM

i will admit I do think we pulled out too soon

Souls 12-Dec-17 05:43 AM

and I'd apply the same here, because I'm not a hypocrit

just randomly log dumping a main chat is rude

Mcmannia Whitehall 12-Dec-17 05:44 AM

we could have gotten into that cabinet chat given more time

Souls 12-Dec-17 05:44 AM

now, if you can pick some actual intel out, quote that, and then have to provide the rest as context, that's a bit more understandable

but otherwise you're just making a bunch of semi-private ooc conversations public

for no particular reasonm

C3

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Plagentine 19-Jan-18 06:41 AM

oh so this is where we plan coups

Souls 19-Jan-18 06:41 AM

If mcmann ever tells us something juicy from tsp maybe

Mcmannia Whitehall 19-Jan-18 06:41 AM

i just had a long convo about the future of hydra

Plagentine 19-Jan-18 06:41 AM

this is good because planning them in the public chat of my server has gotten a bit leaky i think

cant imagine why

Mcmannia Whitehall 19-Jan-18 06:41 AM

also TSP leak will come at some point soon

my life just changed (again) yesterday so readjusting

havent had my pc set up these past few days

but TSP leak will come soon

also hydra might be changing in a major way soon

had a long discussion about that tonight

right now the three options most favored are

1. Hydra and The Dark Vanqishers become best buddies and militarily aligned

2. Hydra merges into The Dark Vanquishers

3. Hydra and the Dark Vanquishers go all in on a new region combining all of our resources

C4

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Altino 11-Feb-18 08:57 PM

TSP is so very clearly trying to break up alliances and weaken regions that they don't get along with. They need to chill out.

Souls 11-Feb-18 09:00 PM

It’s so obvious, and yet people haven’t cut ‘em off yet ;p

Altino 11-Feb-18 09:11 PM

TWP and Osiris cut them off forever ago. But TEP's about to treaty up with them and about everyone else is still happy to be bffs. Lol.

Because who doesn't love the artsy, fun region?

Lord Savaer 11-Feb-18 09:26 PM

Anyone with a preference to axes to grind.

Mcmannia Whitehall 11-Feb-18 10:35 PM

That reminds me, aav and I never leaked all that stuff we stole

From tsp

Evidence D: Encouraging infiltration and destruction of the Coalition

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Souls 21-Feb-18 09:24 AM

@Avakael @Lord Savaer what do I have to do to get one of you two to dislike TSP on a serious level

I couldn't possibly bring myself to put up with half the folks there long enough to try and destroy it, but you've always seemed a bit more...driven ?

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:25 AM

Neither of us would even be welcome in the place.

the only GCR that gives me any particular negative reaction is Osiris

thanks to Cormac telling me to fuck off when I last asked him to ban Sector ZYX

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:27 AM

well duh

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:27 AM

but I feel like we kinda got unintentional revenge for that

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:27 AM

that's the point of infiltrating

you think they'd let me in as me either? ?

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:28 AM

Cormac last resigned the Pharaohship, apparently, because he was massively paranoid about Kemi.

who is a Dion.

so, lol.

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:28 AM

I mean

anyone has plenty of grounds to be paranoid about kemi

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:28 AM

dunk'd by the mother in law.

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:28 AM

even those on her good side got stalked.

so

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:28 AM

i havent seen kemi since like april of last year

I didnt know she was back in NS

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:29 AM

comes around every now and then

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:29 AM

I don't believe she is back in NS

this was a long time ago

6 months or more

she got busy with school.

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:29 AM

yeah, said she'd come back in november

or something

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:30 AM

well, if she came back, she'd be in Unknown.

so...

¯\(ツ)/¯

Altino 21-Feb-18 09:31 AM

We're lovely in Osiris now, Ava. Honest. :)

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:32 AM

that's what they said the last time

and the time before that

and the time before that

and the time before --that--

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:32 AM

remind me to not visit osiris

?

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:33 AM

when Earth22 counts as a "good leader" in the history of your region, you're fuuuucked.

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:33 AM

Actually Souls, I pretty much hate all GCRs, so... The only ones remotely close to having any of my favor is TEP and TP.

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:33 AM

and then there's that point.

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:33 AM

true, but its not as bad as hydra, hydra got stuck with me

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:33 AM

Savaer just sort of fucking hates GCRs

¯\(ツ)/¯

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:33 AM

well TEP just treated with TSP and TRR and there's a clause that that treaty comes before all other ones ?(edited)

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:34 AM

supremacy clauses are just smart

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:34 AM

You aren't a psychopathic birch that sucks the souls from men to use as your personal motherfucking assault weapons, McM

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:34 AM

and if anything, TRR's the one that me and Kshrlmnt sort of get along with

albeit purely out of context.

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:35 AM

No, Im just a cunt

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:35 AM

TRR is not bad, besides having Unibot around, though not much they can do about it (though, IMHO, they could be suppressing every post he makes)

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:35 AM

I could quote something from a bunch of years ago about TRR, but that would probably induce Kurosaki flashbacks in Koth

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:35 AM

but they're still defender >.>

Altino 21-Feb-18 09:35 AM

Yeahhhhh. Osiris doesn't have a ton of bright, shining beacons in leadership history.

I'll give you that.

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:36 AM

Ya think.

The fact y'all had Earth is enough I didn't give O even a snowball's chance of my interest

August 21-Feb-18 09:36 AM

Could have had me from day one if they had not banned me. ¯\(ツ)/¯

Altino 21-Feb-18 09:37 AM

Merited.

You're banned in Osi..? You're banned from the weirdest places.

It does not make sense to me.

August 21-Feb-18 09:37 AM

Not permanently. I was one of the first in the region when it was created, but Zao banjected me a couple weeks in for... who even knows why.

He probably does not remember.

I am sure I could walk back in any time.

Altino 21-Feb-18 09:38 AM

Lol. If you'd stayed in the beginning, you'd be gone by now.

Maybe several times over.

Fact.

August 21-Feb-18 09:38 AM

Assuredly so.

Altino 21-Feb-18 09:39 AM

Why doesn't Zao like you, dude?

August 21-Feb-18 09:39 AM

Sigh. DMs, I guess.

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:40 AM

Ive already found my GCR home away from home

Altino 21-Feb-18 09:40 AM

TNP? ^-^

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:40 AM

fuck no

lazarus baby

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:41 AM

voluntarily listening to lamb and funk?

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:41 AM

I might also occasionally shitpost horrifying memes

Altino 21-Feb-18 09:42 AM

I don't think you really have to listen to anybody to be in Laz. Just post memes and stuff.

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:42 AM

I think I'm too sober for this part of the convo

Why did you want me and Ava to dislike TSP, anyways, Souls?

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:43 AM

I thought I was pretty clear by this point I hate independents and detest fendas...

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:43 AM

well

they're both of those. :v

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:43 AM

because I've love little more on this site than to see most of the known names in their adminship purged from the region

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:44 AM

and yet I can't bring myself to go through months or years of putting up with them to do so ?

From their admin team to their ministers

burn them all out

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:44 AM

in short, it's one of the GCRs where the imperialists use to have a lot of influence, and they don't anymore because TSP didn't want have anything to do with them anymore

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:44 AM

maybe there's something juicy in all those chatlogs we stole

August 21-Feb-18 09:44 AM

"I hate independents" Ouch.

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:44 AM

and it wasn't a friendly split.

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:44 AM

and build an outright invader-oriented GCR on the region's charred ashes(edited)

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:45 AM

So, you're hoping I'd go deep cover to do it and pray I don't indulge my demon.

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:45 AM

and the only way that's going to happen thoroughly enough to burn all the rot there is to forcibly cleanse it

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:45 AM

I just convinced tawks that the ragerium imperium should process all the information we stole, to prepare for possible release

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:45 AM

not external pressure or internal strife would do more than burn half of it

letting the other half thrive

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:46 AM

they do have some extra special cunts, though

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:46 AM

needs to be bleached

blank slated

reset

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:46 AM

Glen Rhodes reminds me of Hadisthe without a sense of humour.

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:46 AM

Glen Rhodes is the definition of a corrupt admin

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:46 AM

Mm. A raider purist GCR does sound enticing.

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:46 AM

breaks their rules and gets away with it because he's admin

hence, the not-really-recent-anymore internal coup attempt

direct response to his corrupt adminship

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:47 AM

I wasn't aware of the corrupt stuff

I thought he was just an extremely politically toxic defender that was 100% unapologetic about it

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:47 AM

Hmm.

Avakael 21-Feb-18 09:48 AM

he'll last forever, though

Altino 21-Feb-18 09:48 AM

Maybe. But we would feel a lot better if he went and lasted forever someplace else.

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:49 AM

Oh, @August you can blame who started the independent movement. I fucking hate anyone and everything following stuff Earth22 created and pushed.

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:49 AM

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=240650&p=27547548&hilit=glen+rhodes+corrupt#p27547483

tried to get rid of glen and use a new forum

did not last long

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:49 AM

That's why I fucking hate the places she was involved with, the independent concept, TRR, Osiris all of it.

August 21-Feb-18 09:50 AM

Believe me, I have no great love for independentism in general. The core idea of R/D for the sake of foreign policy is something I always liked, though.

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:50 AM

IIRC a big part was basically glen breaks forum rules about behavior offsite regularly but never gets punished because he's admin

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:50 AM

Fucking Euro, her fucking clones

August 21-Feb-18 09:50 AM

That is why I, y'know, set up an independent military.

Lord Savaer 21-Feb-18 09:50 AM

If I could I would burn it all to nothing

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:50 AM

independents are treasonous

August 21-Feb-18 09:50 AM

(To be clear, I am not offended or anything.)

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:50 AM

pick a side

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:50 AM

He is of course, also toxic as fuck

but specifically here he was cited for being corrupt

I wouldn't have minded this TSP as much

but they, of course, lost the seat

and then you've got the Roavin/Tim/Escade trifecta of yuck

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:54 AM

you just made me puke souls

wtf

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:55 AM

So yeah

I've even personally help lead the new region, for sure

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:55 AM

id sign up for an invader GCR

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:55 AM

I just cannot bring myself to go through putting up with the region long enough to end up in a position high enough to take advantage of

Altino 21-Feb-18 09:55 AM

Ugh. I'm getting tired of the word Toxic on NS. It's losing value. There are people on this site who will just literally suck the soul right out of your life. Like take your breath away. Everybody and their momma gets accused of being toxic these days. I feel like it should get saved for people who've tried a little harder to earn it.

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 09:56 AM

offer up my years of ....not really experience, or wisdom

memes

my years of memes

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:56 AM

I mean, Glen is pretty bad

he's not DC or Rifty or something, AFAIK

but he's corrupt, and he's nasty, and he's full of crap

August 21-Feb-18 09:56 AM

"I feel like it should get saved for people who've tried a little harder to earn it." <- I can get behind that.

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:56 AM

I think he fits it nicely.

I think those worse deserve something worse

Altino 21-Feb-18 09:57 AM

Glen is a dick, no doubt. And he should be gotten rid of, certainly. But no one is festering at night over what Glen is doing. Who even cares what Glen is doing. He's cocky and annoying and almost completely safe to ignore.

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:58 AM

I was about ready to move on from disliking roavin, as a side note

until the thing in the TSP thread

Altino 21-Feb-18 09:59 AM

Roavin has turned into the brainchild of Tim and Unibot. And what a mix.

Souls 21-Feb-18 09:59 AM

specifically the bit where he later basically said offsite that he totally phrased it that way on purpose to trigger me.

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:00 AM

intentionally made a post that would be read as accusing me of srs stff, but could also be denied as me overreacting for saying so

at that point, I said to myself, nah, he's not saying "let's talk this out" in good faith, it's just another part of the fucking show(edited)

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 10:00 AM

Roavin is like the high school freshman who follows around the senior kids making terrible cringe jokes to get their approval

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:01 AM

so blocked him

playing with accusations like that, in any form, is a line in the sand for me

and while this wasn't attero outright making explicit false harassment claims or whatever, it was still over the line

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 10:03 AM

I already hate tim and roavin, so you dont really need to sell me

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:03 AM

specifically once I knew exactly that - that he was playing with implying it to get a rise

fuck that

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 10:03 AM

also your therapy session ended 23 minutes ago

Altino 21-Feb-18 10:03 AM

?Everything's okay if you loljk!?

Avakael 21-Feb-18 10:03 AM

This feels very old school

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 10:03 AM

is in a burning building

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:04 AM

Tim has long been on my shitlist for a vast variety of reasons

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 10:04 AM

I keep loling but it doesnt work

send help

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:04 AM

though outright making it a goal to drive young raiders to quit the game was a line for me there

one of the last that set it in stone

Avakael 21-Feb-18 10:04 AM

This kind of true OOC shit, don't you think, Sav?

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:04 AM

and escade just...infuriates me.

that's less "founded" per se

but her stupid ditz act always raises my blood pressure

fairly certain she's quite the conniving queen bee underneath

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 10:05 AM

did not know escade was a girl

guess you learn something every day

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:05 AM

and that it's entirely a ploy that she breaks out to shift attention as necessary.

I have on good authority that she's manipulative, cunning, and assertive underneath, and that it occasionally breaks through.

@Mcmannia Whitehall yeah she's literally Noble's sister

Altino 21-Feb-18 10:07 AM

Idk, she's very emotionally driven. Casually and in GP. And I've never seen her try to explain anything, ever, and make a lick of sense. But that doesn't necessarily mean the can't get her way.

Just means the methods she'll use to make it happen are reaaaaaallllyyy crappy.

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:07 AM

I'm fairly certain how batshit stupid she is in GP is an act

or at least an exaggeration

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 10:07 AM

kind of like how i joke about consuming human flesh

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:07 AM

it's intentionally meaningless

because you can't properly counter nonsense

I've long said she's Trump-like, in that manner

if you just blatantly lie, divert, spew nonsense, and then cover anything left with a bigly nice-sounding slogan (Friendship!!!!! for her), you're quite hard to counter

someone spends time pointing out and proving how they're wrong in detail...and you just get more nonsense, catchphrases, and "you're mean and wrong" back.

can't really win there

I would underestimate her at your own risk though.

Altino 21-Feb-18 10:13 AM

Just pit Yun against her. :p

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:13 AM

she's that kid in the house you turn your back on because she's harmless and then the last thing you see is her shadow looming over you as you bleed out from the knife she buried in your back

Altino 21-Feb-18 10:13 AM

Well. Yun doesn't really put herself against many people. Maybe not.

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 10:15 AM

ive already provoked enough needless conflict against TSP that they probably hate me

nothing to lose by doing it again

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:18 AM

you went about it all wrong

as I said above

you can at best temporarily weaken it with "spicy" stuff

if it goes swimmingly they lose a little public standing, and maybe have some internal power shifts

and that's unlikely

and then...what?

the world spins on

the problems there are too deeply engrained for that to work for anything more than some groundwork to reduce the number of regions militarily supporting the regime when you coup

because that's the only end game

getting in a seat of power, and holding it.

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 10:20 AM

I wasnt talking about leaking the stolen chatlogs

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:20 AM

but your sleepers headed out when you were done with that, yes?

Mcmannia Whitehall 21-Feb-18 10:20 AM

I was just going to send them the entire emoji movie script in a single telegram

Altino 21-Feb-18 10:20 AM

You monster.

Souls 21-Feb-18 10:20 AM

got pretty close to physical power there, and then called it good

Evidence E: Concern over leaking of TSP plans

Code:
Brisko 26-Mar-18 10:42 PM

Just as an FYI, I know for a fact this channel is compromised and that Xoriet knows exactly what is discussed here and what it's called

So good job boys

Plagentine 26-Mar-18 10:44 PM

Fuck my cover's blown

Souls 26-Mar-18 10:46 PM

So who is the little bitch

There’s only 12 of us in here and one of them is me and another is Koth

I’d rather just get the exiling over with than wrongfully treat nine of you like leakers until we prove the one who is one

Plagentine 26-Mar-18 10:54 PM

I think its @Rythm

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:26 AM

No but really, there’s indispensable proof that she knows of the chat down to the channel names and details of specific conversations here.

We have a good old fashioned blatant leak

Khron doesn’t even play the game anymore

So that takes us down to nine

And only a handful few of those nine are likely to be talking to Xor in the first place.

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:29 AM

wait why not kick khron then

also did she say something or

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:30 AM

We can run through the terrible process of one by one breaking everyone down with distrust, looking at possible motivations, or we can get on with it easily

I told khron he can do whatever he wants since he was here before me when aurum made this place.

Same reason derps is here :p khron does still consult on tools now and then and he’s still knowledgeable.

And yeah

She “said something”

Including what I said above, which is how we knows there’s a leak specifically here for sure

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:34 AM

lmao

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:35 AM

And a bad one

Even if someone was passing on convo snippets

she literally knows the channel name

That’s not just letting slip a General topic

Not to mention the conversations specifics

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:36 AM

did the other channel leak

or am i not supposed to talk about the other channel

August 27-Mar-18 12:37 AM

I have literally said that I would blow up everything and quit for good if I ever leaked anything, so... yeah, not worth it. Plus, I would I have have to think about it, but I do not think I have ever spoken to Xoriet.

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:37 AM

Unconfirmed, but less likely, which could potentially narrow it down to just those in this wider one

And nah plag, it doesn’t need to be a secret that there’s a second one for pure raiders only

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:37 AM

i think i spoke to her once when she came back

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:37 AM

While this one encompasses more raider leaning leaders

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:38 AM

not in DMs tho

they clean

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:38 AM

Whose xoriet

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:38 AM

tep person

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:38 AM

Ew

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:38 AM

yeah

very trustworthy too

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:39 AM

If i need start pointing fingers, i will. But it’s no fun, and all but one of them will be wrong

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:40 AM

Wait so what’s going on?

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:40 AM

I can probably point four most likely

We have a leak, mcmann

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:40 AM

Unless for some fucking reason we have multiple people treating this server like anything other than strictly opsec

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:40 AM

Well that’s really fucking bad

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:40 AM

To someone explicitly anti-raider

In detail

So yeah

Make no mistake, unless there’s a damn good excuse, someone is going to get hardcore shunned in raiding over this.

Whatever the cost

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:41 AM

Really glad I didn’t bring up a certain thing yet

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:41 AM

I’ll lose an allied army over this any day. This is Council-level org leaders opsec

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:41 AM

Vult would kill me if it got leaked

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:42 AM

Xoriet doesn't care about whatever you guys have planned.

She cares about hurting Souls

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:42 AM

That bitch

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:42 AM

And gosh golly it seems like he hasn't been the most agreeable chum to everyone here lately

so that kinda narrows it down

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:42 AM

No one hurts souls

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:43 AM

i mean i hardly find most people on NS agreeable ?

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:43 AM

As I said, I can start with four in focus for various reasons

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:43 AM

He’s like one of the few good people

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:43 AM

But I’d be treating all 10 of you as suspicious until we’re confident we have our man or woman

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:43 AM

the world's least fun session of mafia

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:43 AM

Ding ding

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:44 AM

Still don’t know how that game works

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:44 AM

have you guys played spyfall

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:44 AM

No

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:44 AM

yeah

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:44 AM

lets do that

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:44 AM

No

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:44 AM

but like

with the leak

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:44 AM

I just fucking woke up plag

I need breakfast

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:44 AM

me too

i had a nice nap

with my cat

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:44 AM

I sleep all day

Because night job

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:44 AM

i sleep all day too

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:44 AM

@everyone if y’all want to all formally claim it’s not you who leaked to Xoriet so I can figure out who’s lying, that would be great. Or I mean, own it, and save me the time. But at least claim it’s not so I can get going.

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

fuck you fedex

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

because its easier for me to study at night

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

Pinned a message.

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

and also shitpost

Khronion 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

got excited bout a ping

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

Don’t be

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

If nobody fesses I'm all for just purging all of you and starting over

Khronion 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

ikr

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

We got a traitor

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

but how od you start over if you dont know whos the leak

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

August, mcmann, and plag have entered their pleas

August 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

This is a formal claim that not only did I not leak to Xoriet, I have never leaked anything from this server (or any other secure area).

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

We do things the old fashioned way

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:45 AM

gavel hit

We’re now in session

Any other pleas?

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:46 AM

each org just does their own fucking thing and we dont share shit with each other anymore

Khronion 27-Mar-18 12:46 AM

didn't leak, practice safe opsec

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:46 AM

4/10

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:46 AM

i plea guilty to serial napping

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:46 AM

I don’t expect WL to show up lol

I don’t think he’s been online at all

I also don’t think he’s the leak

But I might as well boot him

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:47 AM

i find happiness in one thing

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:47 AM

Eating cookies ?

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:47 AM

tim isn't the one who got leak info first

he constantly brags about his plants and how easy it is to infiltrate shit

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:47 AM

who knows what people do and do not have at this point

Khronion 27-Mar-18 12:48 AM

[3:29 PM] Plagentine: wait why not kick khron then

to be fair, a good principle of opsec is not allowing access where it's not needed, so i won't be offended if you purge me out just on principle

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:48 AM

I still have those TSP chat logs

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:48 AM

Souls, you should lock/archive this channel and make a new default

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:48 AM

For any new adds?

Not a bad idea

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:48 AM

I mean just in general

if we're worried about security better to not have the entire history of the server available

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:49 AM

Oh like hide it from everyone? So no scraping? Or what?

Khronion 27-Mar-18 12:49 AM

aye

Plagentine 27-Mar-18 12:49 AM

i mean i'd assume that whoever is added to the server doesnt need to undergo vetting ?

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:49 AM

yeah i dont care about vetting

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:49 AM

I mean yeah that’s supposed to be the point

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:49 AM

just removing old information that could be used to hurt us later

Mcmannia Whitehall 27-Mar-18 12:49 AM

Clearly we do

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:49 AM

We all get to see the chat history and look up old stuff

Becuase were all trusted

But obviously

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:49 AM

not anymore obviously

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:49 AM

Someone is trusted improperly

Avakael 27-Mar-18 12:50 AM

Xoriet and I don't talk.

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:50 AM

At the highest levels

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:50 AM

to be clear, xoriet could have gotten this information from anyone

though it is much more likely she got it directly(edited)

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:50 AM

Could be second hand potentially yes

Brisko 27-Mar-18 12:50 AM

she has too many people tell her things they should not

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:50 AM

If you leaked to someone else not here

Avakael 27-Mar-18 12:50 AM

What's the leaked info specifically

Souls 27-Mar-18 12:51 AM

Specifically, the convo with you and sav that involved tsp has been brought up, Ava

And the name of this channel

(This post was last modified: 01-05-2019, 07:17 PM by sandaoguo.)

**Amerion** · 12-29-2018, 02:08 AM

Belschaft's post:

(12-28-2018, 04:44 PM)Belschaft Wrote: ... I once again invite you to declassify Item E, which you continue to rely on to make your argument whilst not letting anyone else see it. Of the "7 people across 2 Cabinets" how many actually saw Item E, and how many were told they couldn't but should take your word at it? ...

Just to clarify, is Evidence E the 'Item E' which Belschaft is referring to in the above quote?

***sandaoguo*** · 12-29-2018, 06:10 AM

Evidence E is the entire raw log, which was shared with the Court unredacted. It contains everything that is in this brief.

A version of this brief (basically everything except the last piece of evidence, which isn’t evidence of “legal hostility” itself, but rather supporting evidence pointing to how serious Souls took the TSP convos) was shared with the Cabinet on 10/19/2018, when they were working on reissuing the proscriptions. The raw log was shared with PM Farengeto 8/12/2018. Roavin as PM, of course, had the raw logs while his Cabinet was planning the proscriptions in the first place. His summary of the proscription (in the “Several Proscriptions” thread) pretty much matches what I wrote in my brief— I’m just more wordy, and his was a draft.

Having a new administration come in definitely fuzzed things up. Farengeto believed the draft Roavin presented to the Assembly was the final proscription. At the time, I don’t believe he had seen the raw intel— Roavin was worried about disseminating the intel too widely, as to not threaten the sources. I believe the idea from the new Cabinet was that Roavin would finish the proscriptions on his own, which was not really the same understanding Roavin had (he could correct me if I’m wrong here).

At the end of the day, though, regardless of what 3 different Cabinets knew and the level of access they had to the raw intel— the Court has full, unredacted and unbiased intel. I quite literally just sent them the raw logs, as requested. It’s unclear exactly how the Court parsed the logs, because in my opinion, no reasonable person can walk away from reading the snippets here and think there’s much ado about nothing. And those snippets are honestly just what I could find by searching obvious TSP-related phrases.

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***Roavin*** · 12-30-2018, 02:03 AM

(12-29-2018, 06:10 AM)sandaoguo Wrote: I believe the idea from the new Cabinet was that Roavin would finish the proscriptions on his own, which was not really the same understanding Roavin had (he could correct me if I’m wrong here).

It was a misunderstanding, probably caused by me because I was just happy to be the hell out of Cabinet (this was during full Timscade madness).

(12-29-2018, 06:10 AM)sandaoguo Wrote: I quite literally just sent them [the court] the raw logs, as requested.

... as well as timestamps of notable events.

***sandaoguo*** · 01-04-2019, 06:01 PM

It occurs me that in declassifying this, I didn’t mean to keep it hidden in the Assembly private forums. I only posted here because the original proscription was posted here, but this isn’t sensitive information. The contents of this thread have already been shared publicly with allies. As such, though I think I may be able to just do it myself as the originator of the information, can the Chair please move this to the regular Assembly forum?

This being in the private Assembly forums might make it awkward if an ally chooses to act upon the logs, since people will assume this is still classified as a private Assembly matter.

Nakari · 01-04-2019, 06:59 PM

(01-04-2019, 06:01 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: It occurs me that in declassifying this, I didn’t mean to keep it hidden in the Assembly private forums. I only posted here because the original proscription was posted here, but this isn’t sensitive information. The contents of this thread have already been shared publicly with allies. As such, though I think I may be able to just do it myself as the originator of the information, can the Chair please move this to the regular Assembly forum?

This being in the private Assembly forums might make it awkward if an ally chooses to act upon the logs, since people will assume this is still classified as a private Assembly matter.

Done.

Asia and Pacific · 01-05-2019, 11:28 AM

This is depressing. I would like to applaud the work done by the intelligence.

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The Sakhalinsk Empire · 01-05-2019, 11:35 AM

Thank goodness no major TSPer was involved in this. That would've been even worse.

Good job glen. You saved the region IMO

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***sandaoguo*** · 01-05-2019, 01:51 PM

While I appreciate the praise, it was Roavin who really took point on the proscriptions based on this evidence. I’ve worked with him since on protecting TSP, but can’t take credit on “saving TSP.” Tounge

On that note, Souls is not proscribed. The Court overturned the proscription and hasn’t clarified the many questions that have been posed to them. If you’re reading this brief and believe that the CRS or the Cabinet should take action, please speak up. At the moment, I have an amendment to the Proscription Act that would address whatever *legal* issues the Court raised.

***sandaoguo*** · 01-05-2019, 07:18 PM

Update:

There was a link to a dropbox folder that inadvertently shared a real-life name. The link has been removed and redacted from the PDF. This error occurred as the name only readily appeared when accessing the link from a mobile device. It appeared in a "download our app"-style ad. It did not appear when accessing the dropbox folder from a desktop PC, or when viewing from a mobile browser with the "view full page" setting.

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