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(03-10-2019, 01:06 AM)The Sakhalinsk Empire Wrote:I don't think that's how it works...(03-09-2019, 09:17 PM)New Haudenosaunee Confederacy Wrote: Can I have a TLDR please? The reason why Slab is vulnerable to that is how his own justification for it is (seemingly) not in the standard moderation policy.
how am i even still a legislator at this point...?
(03-10-2019, 02:17 AM)Amerion Wrote: This is not exactly related to RMB guidelines but as a thought, would it be beneficial to create a larger RMB government and relocate discussions relating to governing to another region created specifically for that purpose? You mean something like this? https://www.nationstates.net/region=tsp_...on_debates we'd have to set up embassies to to make that work like a sub region Legislator | Local Councilor | Aspiring TSP Curmudgeon Messages archived by the Ministry Of the Regal Executive - Bureaucratic Services (03-10-2019, 09:00 AM)Volaworand Wrote:(03-10-2019, 02:17 AM)Amerion Wrote: This is not exactly related to RMB guidelines but as a thought, would it be beneficial to create a larger RMB government and relocate discussions relating to governing to another region created specifically for that purpose? Yes, that region is what I had in mind. If you segregate discussion areas, you could still have the main RMB as a place where hugs are everywhere and another area for serious debate on gameside affairs. At the moment, it seems that good points are being lost amid people cutting off furry tails and munching on whatever is in season. Moreover, from a purely forumside (selfish) point of view, if we ease people into the political realm through an LC parliament, they may very well come visit the forum ... 
(03-09-2019, 11:46 AM)sandaoguo Wrote: I think your double posting rule really needs to be reanalyzed. If somebody is responding to two different posts, why should it be a ban-worthy offense to make two posts back to back? Is that really something that warrants kicking someone out of the region? It’s not exactly spam, if the responses are genuine and not irrelevant nonsense. The previous rule was that double posts were legal and suppressible based on the judgement of the individual Local Councilors... which is very weird situation to put local councillors in. Making a double post isn't ban worthy. it's worthy of a suppression and a warning. 18 Repeated instances (and counting) is a wholely different story. If a player decided that the rule does not apply to them, decides to intentionally double post and make comments to bait a response, unilaterally declares that warnings to them are spam, and then subjects the RMB to hours of repetitive debate (and not suppressed i may add) on the topic and oh, to top it off, makes personal defamatroy attacks on a local council doing their legally mandated job, what option does the Local Council have to deal with that situation? There is no other prescribed action beyond the LC directing the CRS to take a border control action against that player. If it's done all some sort of protest then they knowing accept that can lead to that consequence, even if that means they earn themselves an admonishment and a one day/week/month ban? I don't know the history of the length of bans for this type of infraction. I assume the CRS has more knowledge about that. I don't think anyone has calling for players to earn a lifetime ban when they double post once. However, the RMB guidelines are in place, and going thru a one month review of the changes... and in that time they are still the policy we follow. I'm not sure why we have tolerated the flagrant rule breaking. Or are you saying that since the local council has the power to order a border control action against repeated rule breaking players, that the LC should just issue the order to the CRS and then let the chips fall where they may? If a Member of the assembly here on forum side decided a law was wrong, are they then allowed to unilaterally exempt themselves from following it? Would the forum side community tolerate that? Legislator | Local Councilor | Aspiring TSP Curmudgeon Messages archived by the Ministry Of the Regal Executive - Bureaucratic Services (03-10-2019, 02:17 AM)Amerion Wrote: This is not exactly related to RMB guidelines but as a thought, would it be beneficial to create a larger RMB government and relocate discussions relating to governing to another region created specifically for that purpose? This is something I've considered for a while, but, other than the failed Commonwealth Act, haven't really gone too far in implementing. Founder of the Church of the South Pacific [Forum Thread] [Discord], a safe place to discuss spirituality for people of all faiths and none (currently looking for those interested in prayer and/or "home" groups);
And The Silicon Pens [Discord], a writer's group for the South Pacific and beyond! Yahweo usenneo ir varleo, ihraneo jurlaweo hraseu seu, ir jiweveo arladi. Salma 145:8
Quote:If a Member of the assembly here on forum side decided a law was wrong, are they then allowed to unilaterally exempt themselves from following it? Would the forum side community tolerate that?That's completely different in the way that your RMB etiquette is not something actually voted on, but also in the way that the LC doesn't even always follow it, so why would the people have to?
how am i even still a legislator at this point...?
(03-10-2019, 10:56 AM)New Haudenosaunee Confederacy Wrote:Quote:If a Member of the assembly here on forum side decided a law was wrong, are they then allowed to unilaterally exempt themselves from following it? Would the forum side community tolerate that?That's completely different in the way that your RMB etiquette is not something actually voted on, but also in the way that the LC doesn't even always follow it, so why would the people have to? There is no legal requirement for it to be voted upon. Founder of the Church of the South Pacific [Forum Thread] [Discord], a safe place to discuss spirituality for people of all faiths and none (currently looking for those interested in prayer and/or "home" groups);
And The Silicon Pens [Discord], a writer's group for the South Pacific and beyond! Yahweo usenneo ir varleo, ihraneo jurlaweo hraseu seu, ir jiweveo arladi. Salma 145:8
To be frank, Vola, I think the double posting prohibition shouldn’t exist at all. I struggle to understand how double posting is disruptive. (And no, I don’t need to an RMBer to make that judgement.) The RMB is a classic chat room. It’s like if we wrote a Discord rule saying you’re not allowed to send two messages in a row.
This rule has proven difficult to enforce fairly, and now the stance is that all double posts are against the rules, no matter their actual content and contribution to the discussion. The LC is probably going to keep having a lot of problems, so maybe the right decision here is to focus on actual spam (irrelevant mumbo-jumbo that doesn’t add to discussion) instead of how many times someone posts in a row. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ![[-]](https://tspforums.xyz/images/sidr/blue/collapse.png)
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(03-10-2019, 11:15 AM)sandaoguo Wrote: To be frank, Vola, I think the double posting prohibition shouldn’t exist at all. I struggle to understand how double posting is disruptive. (And no, I don’t need to an RMBer to make that judgement.) The RMB is a classic chat room. It’s like if we wrote a Discord rule saying you’re not allowed to send two messages in a row. Yes, I agree, but even with spam, you've got people angry when they get suppressed when they don't think their posts are spam
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(03-10-2019, 09:17 AM)Amerion Wrote:(03-10-2019, 09:00 AM)Volaworand Wrote:-snip-(03-10-2019, 02:17 AM)Amerion Wrote: -snip- OOO my secret actual gameside integration to forumside agenda has been revealed! Lure everyone in to regional politics by inviting them to bring complaints here :-) You are very insightful :-) I'll have to keep my eye on you, lol (03-10-2019, 10:56 AM)New Haudenosaunee Confederacy Wrote:Quote:If a Member of the assembly here on forum side decided a law was wrong, are they then allowed to unilaterally exempt themselves from following it? Would the forum side community tolerate that?That's completely different in the way that your RMB etiquette is not something actually voted on, but also in the way that the LC doesn't even always follow it, so why would the people have to? Sorry, where has the LC not followed this policy? Any double post I've inadvertently made has been suppressed, or I've editied into the first comment and deleted it. In accordance with the policy. Any double post that we miss is welcome to be pointed out to us in a telegram or by whatever method you allow yourself, and it is promptly addressed. Why do you continue to call an instance of a post that wasn't suppressed as quickly as you want hypocrisy? WE ARE LIVING BREATHING BEINGS, NOT RMB MODERATION APPLICATIONS - Sometimes suppressing a post requires that we see the post in the first place! Are you proposing a specific time limit along the lines of if a double post hasn't been suppressed within 2 minutes then it is illegal to suppress it? Saying the LC doesn't follow the rules is a straight up lie and you know it. Please keep your criticisms truthful and non-defamatory. Legislator | Local Councilor | Aspiring TSP Curmudgeon Messages archived by the Ministry Of the Regal Executive - Bureaucratic Services |
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