| Criminal Complaint (charge someone with a crime under the Criminal Code) [1910] New Haudenosaunee Confederacy v. Concrete Slab |
(03-08-2019, 04:49 PM)Lily Pad Wrote: You admitted yourself that you double posted to anger the LCs (if I’m remembering that correctly, if I’m not it’s really self evident). You could’ve easily have had a civil discussion without that.The double posting was not with intention of angering the LCs. I could, and would, explain more, however, the suppression of double posts is not the topic of this complaint; it's extortion. (03-08-2019, 04:49 PM)Lily Pad Wrote: It’s clear after you made your opening remarks you were no longer interested in the subject at hand but instead at making a scene (why else would you not momentarily allow telegrams, why else are you bringing this to the high court instead of talking to your LCs directly, why else would you insist on using a public forum and not a private one?)I am very interested in the subject. The page you linked states that "It is expected that players post with the intent of making the site a better, more enjoyable place to be", however I only argued in favor of double posting to try and make TSP a better place. Not allowing telegrams is not something I did only for that moment. I've had Slab blocked for mention spam for a while now, and I blocked Volaworand for TG spam. This was brought to the High Court because I believe Slab is guilty of extortion. (03-08-2019, 04:49 PM)Lily Pad Wrote: “Someone disagreeing with you does not equate to trolling. Intent is incredibly important and will be judged by the moderators to the best of their abilities. Honest belief does not excuse trolling. Disagreements are expected and conducting yourself in a civil manner is ideal. Trollbaiting is the action of making posts that attract trolls. A prime example of trollbaiting would be gloating over the results of an election.“Even with this, I posted none of this with the intent of angering them. The thread you previously linked states that "Trolling is defined as posts that are made with the aim of angering people.", and the RMB etiquette defines it similarly as well. None of this had the aim of angering them, I was only trying to convince them to change their moderation policy. Whether they had actually become angry or not is another thing. smol edit: and if anything, Slab can be found guilty of trolling. another smol edit: It specifically says "Someone disagreeing with you does not equate to trolling".
how am i even still a legislator at this point...?
I would ask the Court consider the Legal Question: If NHC disagrees with a law is he exempt from following it?
This is the core argument of his current complaint. Legislator | Local Councilor | Aspiring TSP Curmudgeon Messages archived by the Ministry Of the Regal Executive - Bureaucratic Services
I point out to the Court that when NHC joined the region Double posting was illegal, and NHC has an extensive history of posting complaints about double posting, even threatening players with banjection.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=30104159 new_haudenosaunee_confederacy;30104159 Wrote:We all love you Yuno, but that doesn't allow you to double post... https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=29480991 new_haudenosaunee_confederacy;29480991 Wrote:I can't help but mention that he literally double posted twice. https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=29349387 new_haudenosaunee_confederacy;29349387 Wrote:DOUBLE POST! Legislator | Local Councilor | Aspiring TSP Curmudgeon Messages archived by the Ministry Of the Regal Executive - Bureaucratic Services
(03-08-2019, 07:21 PM)Volaworand Wrote: I point out to the Court that when NHC joined the region Double posting was illegal, and NHC has an extensive history of posting complaints about double posting, even threatening players with banjection.My opinion changes over time; those were over a year ago (except for one which is still extremely old). The banjection is also clearly a joke, as I use my nation Everybody in TSP after this in posts relating to the post you quote, which is used exclusively for jokes and (now) cards, and as I double post in the posts following that. smol edit: Also, why does this matter?
how am i even still a legislator at this point...?
(03-08-2019, 06:38 PM)New Haudenosaunee Confederacy Wrote:(03-08-2019, 06:21 PM)Volaworand Wrote: This is the core argument of his current complaint.No, it is not. Whether I disagree with it or not, it's still extortion because this complaint is not about the suppression of double posts. The Complainant claims that LC Concrete Slab threatened him in an way that constitutes extortion. I ask the Court to determine what was the LC's only remaining legal remedy? Is advising the Complainant of this remedy an act that would be considered extortion? The Complainant blocked communication as he determined it to be "spammy" and instead chose to subject the entire region to something far more serious than an exchange of telegrams. What definition of spam is the complainant applying to the word "spam" here? The only way left for the LC to communicate this warning was to post it publicly in the RMB. The Court must clearly consider the context of Concrete Slabs comment, which I point out was during a long serious of intentional double posts by the complaintant and a debate the complainant ensured could only be held on the RMB instead of privately. This makes the case inherently about double posting, spamming and the LC's duty to address this. The Complainant is asking the Court to support his own illegal actions. That is the core of this case. I submit to the court that the complainant clearly felt their actions were above the law, was breaking the law at the time, was reminded about the consequences of such law breaking and that being reminded of the law does not constitute extortion. I ask that the Court dismiss this complaint as meritless, frivolous, and repetitive. Legislator | Local Councilor | Aspiring TSP Curmudgeon Messages archived by the Ministry Of the Regal Executive - Bureaucratic Services
(03-08-2019, 07:48 PM)Volaworand Wrote: What definition of spam is the complainant applying to the word "spam" here?The one from your own RMB etiquette dispatch. (03-08-2019, 07:48 PM)Volaworand Wrote: The Complainant is asking the Court to support his own illegal actions.Once again, if that's illegal, then so are Slab's actions (and maybe yours, although it's not like that matters). (03-08-2019, 07:48 PM)Volaworand Wrote: I submit to the court that the complainant clearly felt their actions were above the law, was breaking the law at the time, was reminded about the consequences of such law breaking and that being reminded of the law does not constitute extortion.The only part of your moderation policy I broke was double posting, which is not what this complaint is about.
how am i even still a legislator at this point...?
I withdraw this for the sake of Belschaft. I apologise for this.
how am i even still a legislator at this point...?
(03-08-2019, 07:27 PM)New Haudenosaunee Confederacy Wrote:(03-08-2019, 07:21 PM)Volaworand Wrote: I point out to the Court that when NHC joined the region Double posting was illegal, and NHC has an extensive history of posting complaints about double posting, even threatening players with banjection.My opinion changes over time; those were over a year ago (except for one which is still extremely old). The banjection is also clearly a joke, as I use my nation Everybody in TSP after this in posts relating to the post you quote, which is used exclusively for jokes and (now) cards, and as I double post in the posts following that. In the evidence provided by Rebeltopia The Complaintant commented on Discord was that he did not edit his posts in TSP. Clearly he has done so for quite some time. As far as the comment that the Complaintant is using the definition of spam from the RMB guidelines lets look at that: Spamming is probably best described as a post that is either meaningless and unnecessary, a.k.a. a post that repeats the same thing multiple times, multiple posts of the same thing, a series of posts that have no apparent meaning,etc. I fail to see how a new warning for a new instances of rule breaking constitutes Spam. In fact, this assertion is shows a flagrant disrespect for the laws and procedures of the Region. Forcing the discussion to take place in the RMB instead of privately was unnecessary and a direct result of the Complainant's actions. Legislator | Local Councilor | Aspiring TSP Curmudgeon Messages archived by the Ministry Of the Regal Executive - Bureaucratic Services
(03-08-2019, 08:20 PM)New Haudenosaunee Confederacy Wrote: I withdraw this for the sake of Belschaft. I apologise for this. I see this case has been been withdrawn. May I ask the Court to affirm the justicability of LC Concrete Slabs warnings to this player, considering the player had blocked in game telegrams, or must I open a new legal question? Legislator | Local Councilor | Aspiring TSP Curmudgeon Messages archived by the Ministry Of the Regal Executive - Bureaucratic Services |
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