We all agree the want and desire to improve participation in TSP's regions, both in government and participation and the divide between the forum and it's "legitimate" government and the RMB and the nations that don't want to come to the forums for a variety of unknown reasons. I see issues with blindly throwing the RMB and it's polls into a dangerous footprint without knowing the ramifications fully and the plans to cede power to the Cabinet or select individuals isn't in my top 10 of things I want to see either.
I propose we create another Cabinet position of Minster of In-Game issues or some similar title. This person would be elected through RMB polls, not require anything other than a nation in the region (length and requirements up for discussion). This person would dictate all of the ingame procedures and such, report to the Cabinet and have the abilty to come to the forum as a Cabinet member to discuss proposals and ideas.
This way we aren't throwing away what we have, giving up/shifting power to any group or putting an unknown group in play with powers we can't stop.
We may find no one comes. We may find a lot of people come with ideas on how they want it to go. I just think it's a start to explore where this may lead instead of deciding ahead for a group we don't know with ideas of what they want that we don't know to play the game we feel they should.
I think it does make far more sense to not rush into devolution. We haven't been doing regular polls on Assembly bills for that long. We haven't had the RMB community even try electing a representative (we just hand-picked Aram, basically). This is why I've supported non-binding polls, and I could get behind a new Minister of In-Game Affairs, or RMB Affairs, or whatever. There would be a real representative, from the RMB community, that could be part of a deliberative process of appealing to more participants.
Great proposal. Im with both QuietDad and Belschaft on their proposals, but they seem so good, I can't decide on the two.
I would strongly prefer so move toward a bicameral system, but I would be willing to work with something in the vein.
I'd suggest we have three nations acting as liaisons from and elected on the RMB to the Assembly. (With time differences and the like, I think more than one would be best.)
They can act essentially like Aram is now -- or perhaps be junior Cabinet members. These nations would need to be on the forums, obviously, but could speak on behalf of the RMB nations.
I can see a bicameral system working and we can get there. Maybe. and that's a BIG maybe. The issue I see is we're trying to create and impose a system on a population of TSP that the Assembly and the forum knows NOTHING about and wide open for abuses. Maybe the RMB crowd can live withe the issues. Who knows. The RMB crowd chooses not to come to te forum and play the game we have chosen. I can't see them wanting to play the game in their world the way we tell them we want it played.
By creating a Minster of the RMB/ingame forums, leading the way to show them about campaigning and letting them decide how to vote and getting a candidate they want to open up discussions between them of what kind of government they want to interface with ours, you stand a MUCH better chance for success then imposing new rules and telling them "This is the way it's going to be". Would be just easier to join the forums if that's what they wanted.
Like the forums, with non citizens that can't fully participate, the RMB is open to nations we have embassies with and they post too. The RMB may want to include them. Who knows.
When I ran for MoA the first time, I ran on a platform of being totally independent and raid and defend. I was told it would never work. Well it does. We make mistakes, but we learn and move on. I think the RMB needs the chance to develop what they want it to be.
It may be worth asking the forum mods to be able to set up regional subforums in game or set up a subforum for them on our forum to aid in discussions that a single thread RMB might be a problem.
I still think we should take it one step at a time and see where it goes in trying to guess the perfect solution and imposing on people already not interested in a structured government. You may also find NO ONE comes. At which point you can impose anything you want because they'll ignore that to.
Just my thoughts. Not trying to force anything down anyone's throats. Just thinking out loud.
I clearly don't have nearly enough experience to be the main point person on this, but I fully support the idea and would love to be involved. I think my main interest is finding new methods to draw people in but in a substantive, fulfilling way. Make sure everyone knows what the government stands for, how the government works in the interest of all TSP, etc.
I find that the people writing in these threads, regardless of whatever opinions they may have, have a genuine interest in actually creating a government with depth and significance. But it's hard to break into the group, and I bet most people don't know how. Give people a reason to care, and the ones who are worthwhile will.
(01-16-2015, 12:00 AM)QuietDad Wrote: [ -> ]I can see a bicameral system working and we can get there. Maybe. and that's a BIG maybe. The issue I see is we're trying to create and impose a system on a population of TSP that the Assembly and the forum knows NOTHING about and wide open for abuses. Maybe the RMB crowd can live withe the issues. Who knows. The RMB crowd chooses not to come to te forum and play the game we have chosen. I can't see them wanting to play the game in their world the way we tell them we want it played.
By creating a Minster of the RMB/ingame forums, leading the way to show them about campaigning and letting them decide how to vote and getting a candidate they want to open up discussions between them of what kind of government they want to interface with ours, you stand a MUCH better chance for success then imposing new rules and telling them "This is the way it's going to be". Would be just easier to join the forums if that's what they wanted.
Like the forums, with non citizens that can't fully participate, the RMB is open to nations we have embassies with and they post too. The RMB may want to include them. Who knows.
When I ran for MoA the first time, I ran on a platform of being totally independent and raid and defend. I was told it would never work. Well it does. We make mistakes, but we learn and move on. I think the RMB needs the chance to develop what they want it to be.
It may be worth asking the forum mods to be able to set up regional subforums in game or set up a subforum for them on our forum to aid in discussions that a single thread RMB might be a problem.
I still think we should take it one step at a time and see where it goes in trying to guess the perfect solution and imposing on people already not interested in a structured government. You may also find NO ONE comes. At which point you can impose anything you want because they'll ignore that to.
Just my thoughts. Not trying to force anything down anyone's throats. Just thinking out loud.
Honestly, QD, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea. The goal of the GC and the goal of having Aram act as a liaison was to get the RMB's input in the structure. And I think there is definitely interest, so hopefully this is a step in the right direction.
I would suggest it being more than one person, only because I think it's easy for one person to get lost in the game. Both the Chair and the MoR -- previously -- have been tasked with bridging the gaps and I think one person isn't enough.
Can we anyone who is still paying attention's input here?
I support the creation of the minister of the RMB and making serious efforts to bring the RMB community into the coalition government.
I am opposed to decentralizing our government in general.
I like this idea much more than all the others and would and will back it completely. It finds a good 50%/50% mix and it is not too much devolution at one time.
I'm open to an idea of a Minister of the Regional Message Board (perhaps Minister of Community?), but I think that position should be elected by locals and serve in cabinet - it should be dignified position, not a half-ministry.
Quote:I would suggest it being more than one person, only because I think it's easy for one person to get lost in the game. Both the Chair and the MoR -- previously -- have been tasked with bridging the gaps and I think one person isn't enough.
I think the problem in the past was they weren't elected by the people they were supposed to serve, so they were coming to office with no infrastructure to work from.
Also, there's just seriously negative, marginal attitude towards natives in TSP, see black-and-white statements from Glen-Rhodes and Southern Bellz as evidence.