(01-07-2016, 12:40 AM)Feirmont Wrote: I guess that would depend on your definition of 'senior player'.

Being in the Cabinet for a third (technically fourth), yet only been active on the forums for a little over a year: would I be considered as such? Would a player such as Imkitopia, who hasn't been on the forums nearly as long but holds the Vice-Delegacy be considered new?

I'm not debunking your argument(s), just looking for the solid definition of 'Senior Player'.

This is a fantastic point Feirmont!

In my eyes a Senior Player SHOULD be defined by their post. 

However since we currently do not have any sort of governmental office that I am aware of that is solely dedicated to promoting new member inclusion in executive forum activities in a reasonable and rewarding way to both TSP and the individual player, I would say that a Senior player is anyone that holds either a high place of power in parliament or the Military (IE: Hileville, or Siberian) or a high morale authority over his/her fellow players. What this second statement means is: anyone who's opinion is considered extremely relevant and above that of other players either because of that individuals past record of solid decision making skills or ability to convince people that their argument is the correct one.

I am basically talking about the role models of our Region. The names on our front page on NS, the people that actively contribute to political debates and have been doing so for an incredibly long time, or people that are thought of fondly by the rest of the community.

Serres — apologies on the initial gaf.

While I don't want to call someone out, I'm disturbed that there are members that feel like good ideas don't get heard. I would *encourage* everyone to post in support. It's impossible for the region to know what goes on via PMs.

As someone who is undoubtedly would be considered a "senior player" and an admin, I'd more than welcome suggestions for reorganization. In fact, I asked Punch early on to give us a list of things than need to be changed. This really could go for anyone. We just need to do it in some organized fashion.

Finally, I see your idea of having someone help integrate new players. That had pretty much fallen to the MoRA and really, Kris. I'd be a bit hesitant to dedicate a position solely to that — in that I think everyone show play a part in that — but perhaps a Cabinet-level position for integration would be a good idea?

(01-07-2016, 12:55 AM)The Serres Republic Wrote:

(01-07-2016, 12:40 AM)Feirmont Wrote: I guess that would depend on your definition of 'senior player'.

Being in the Cabinet for a third (technically fourth), yet only been active on the forums for a little over a year: would I be considered as such? Would a player such as Imkitopia, who hasn't been on the forums nearly as long but holds the Vice-Delegacy be considered new?

I'm not debunking your argument(s), just looking for the solid definition of 'Senior Player'.

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However since we currently do not have any sort of governmental office that I am aware of that is solely dedicated to promoting new member inclusion in executive forum activities in a reasonable and rewarding way to both TSP and the individual player,

The department you're looking for is Integration in the Ministry of Regional Affairs. There is currently the Fellowship Program as well; albeit it needs to be tweaked a bit.

(01-07-2016, 12:55 AM)The Serres Republic Wrote: I would say that a Senior player is anyone that holds either a high place of power in parliament or the Military (IE: Hileville, or Siberian) or a high morale authority over his/her fellow players. What this second statement means is: anyone who's opinion is considered extremely relevant and above that of other players either because of that individuals past record of solid decision making skills or ability to convince people that their argument is the correct one.

I am basically talking about the role models of our Region. The names on our front page on NS, the people that actively contribute to political debates and have been doing so for an incredibly long time, or people that are thought of fondly by the rest of the community.

Fair enough. With that in mind I'll present my case and thoughts on your previous post:

Quote:The real reason that any new player would feel unheard, or unable to make a difference in any kind of game would have to have something to do with those in power themselves. I honestly believe that if those in power changed their mindset and simply listened to citizens when making decisions, or went even further and actively involved them, we would see a huge increase in citizen morale. Which, as far as I can tell, is the issue you are highlighting. Citizens do not want to participate because they feel locked in a system they have no say in. Is this correct?

Since this is a break down of your entire post I will not wait for a response and simply assume I am right, as The Future Greatest General of The South Pacific ought to do.

It is, at the end of the day, up to the higher ups to give those disgruntled citizens say. Mind you, not everyone can be pleased, but a happy medium can be met. For example when I posted my original reply to this thread WITHIN FIVE MINUTES another member pm'd me with the following message

"I legit had a massive face palm after your first paragraph in that topic. But it was a good post. Just don't expect them to listen to you much. Someone might reply a bit. But You're a citizen, which in some people's minds here is that you don't count.

The sad reality of the players here "


The fact that a member even thinks this, whether it is true or not, is appalling. This is an issue that must be addressed and based on what I have seen, it is an issue with THE SENIOR PLAYERS. (Damn This must have been how Lenin Felt... O.o The fear is real)

I will not name the player that sent this pm, that would be a complete betrayal of the privacy of our conversation. Also, nameless player who shall remain anonymous I apologies if I crossed a line mentioning this, I felt it necessary to mention.

So, perhaps instead of Rethinking OUR SYSTEM we should be re thinking how our senior players view the new citizens of TSP. In a Democracy EVERY OPINION MATTERS. Even the opinions that belong to the newest member listed on the bottom of our Forum page, BTW WELCOME TO THE SOUTH PACIFIC The Kingdom of Brythonis  SHOUT OUT!!!!

NOW! IF Senior members prove unwilling to adopt a proactive mindset regarding this suggestion I would further suggest adopting a new government policy that limits the amount of terms a nation can hold a Senior Parliament position for. This limit would only be needed for very high ranking officials and the amount of times one could hold a position would be directly correlated to the height of said position (Higher = Less times)

First, I want to point out the hasty generalization with "it is an issue with THE SENIOR PLAYERS" when the wording of the PM was "in some people's minds". Phrased like so, I read 'ALL THE SENIOR PLAYERS'. Lumping as many people in a group to facilitate an argument is potentially hurtful to those 'senior players' that have indeed been working hard in this region. Also, use of the following: "So, perhaps instead of Rethinking OUR SYSTEM we should be re thinking how our senior players view the new citizens of TSP." and other phrases such like this as an argument is arguably powerful, but also another generalization. I am not entirely sure if you were going for the 'shock and awe' method.

Next, I do not think simply pointing the finger so to speak at the senior players is the right way to go about it; especially if your definition of a senior player "is anyone that holds either a high place of power in parliament or the Military (IE: Hileville, or Siberian) or a high morale authority over his/her fellow players". Your argument is at its core now against all the individual Cabinet members. Some of those members have only been in office for a month, and (I assume) are trying to get their feet on the ground, or trying to balance RL and NS, or even just coming off a holiday vacation (myself included).

That said, I believe I understand and fundamentally agree with the nitty gritty core of your point. I can only speak for myself, however, as I can not speak for anyone else:
I have planned a way to make the Foreign Affairs more open with the Foreign Affairs Academy. It was in my platform during the elections and I am happy to see it finally start. In a department that requires a touch of discretion and experience, this was one of the best ways I thought of to include newer members that want to join.
My door is always open, and I sincerely hope that there is no citizen of TSP that thinks they cannot come to me for help, advice, criticisms, or just to chat.

(01-07-2016, 01:11 AM)Tsunamy Wrote: Serres — apologies on the initial gaf.

While I don't want to call someone out, I'm disturbed that there are members that feel like good ideas don't get heard. I would *encourage* everyone to post in support. It's impossible for the region to know what goes on via PMs.

As someone who is undoubtedly would be considered a "senior player" and an admin, I'd more than welcome suggestions for reorganization. In fact, I asked Punch early on to give us a list of things than need to be changed. This really could go for anyone. We just need to do it in some organized fashion.

Finally, I see your idea of having someone help integrate new players. That had pretty much fallen to the MoRA and really, Kris. I'd be a bit hesitant to dedicate a position solely to that — in that I think everyone show play a part in that — but perhaps a Cabinet-level position for integration would be a good idea?

I Really do enjoy your humble and proactive attitude Tsunamy. I can tell that we will get along as great friends as I continue down my path as The Future Greatest General of The South Pacific.

When it comes to Organizing new players I firmly stand by the belief that an organized forum can lead players to where they need to go to succeed, but once they get there, that is when they will be needing the support of Veterans to the sight that can open new doors with them as they grow in TSP. While it would be ideal for every member of Parliament to be able to fill this role, it is impossible for some.

That is why a happy medium must be created. Perhaps a section of Parliament that is dedicated to such a thing. A 'help desk' as you will. Now mind you, at a certain point this will begin to happen naturally as we grow there will be more people for new members to associate with and social groups will naturally form. This does not mean that, at this current time, we should not implement something that assists with integrating them into our system.


I reccomend three things

1: Organization of our NS Regional Intro Post. It is scattered and difficult to understand when read by someone new to NS.

2: Streamlining and reorganization of our forums for the sole purpose of making it easy for each user to find their niche in our Region.

3: Active involvement by parliament and military executives in regards to boosting activity, organization, and welcoming within their separate sections of government and military.

I believe that if we work hard TSP can see a prosperous future on all fronts!

ALSO! I am not extremely aware of how our RP forums are currently being managed, but if we could get some of the more charismatic and ambitious minds from that section together we could probably form a development team that will help us organize that section of TSP as well. Maybe set it up like a mini RP Forum sight within our forum. Either way users that frequent that part of the forum will know what is needed there better than I.

OH AND WORRY NOT ABOUT THE GAF! I SIMPLY POINTED IT OUT FOR HUMOR'S SAKE!

(01-07-2016, 01:36 AM)Feirmont Wrote: First, I want to point out the hasty generalization with "it is an issue with THE SENIOR PLAYERS" when the wording of the PM was "in some people's minds". Phrased like so, I read 'ALL THE SENIOR PLAYERS'. Lumping as many people in a group to facilitate an argument is potentially hurtful to those 'senior players' that have indeed been working hard in this region. Also, use of the following: "So, perhaps instead of Rethinking OUR SYSTEM we should be re thinking how our senior players view the new citizens of TSP." and other phrases such like this as an argument is arguably powerful, but also another generalization. I am not entirely sure if you were going for the 'shock and awe' method.

Next, I do not think simply pointing the finger so to speak at the senior players is the right way to go about it; especially if your definition of a senior player "is anyone that holds either a high place of power in parliament or the Military (IE: Hileville, or Siberian) or a high morale authority over his/her fellow players". Your argument is at its core now against all the individual Cabinet members. Some of those members have only been in office for a month, and (I assume) are trying to get their feet on the ground, or trying to balance RL and NS, or even just coming off a holiday vacation (myself included).

That said, I believe I understand and fundamentally agree with the nitty gritty core of your point. I can only speak for myself, however, as I can not speak for anyone else:
I have planned a way to make the Foreign Affairs more open with the Foreign Affairs Academy. It was in my platform during the elections and I am happy to see it finally start. In a department that requires a touch of discretion and experience, this was one of the best ways I thought of to include newer members that want to join.
My door is always open, and I sincerely hope that there is no citizen of TSP that thinks they cannot come to me for help, advice, criticisms, or just to chat.

First I would like to apologize for convoluting my point with my generalized shock and awe statements. This is simply the way I present my arguments and I thank you for making me aware of how these words effect the different members of our political society!

Second! If anyone was offended! Send me Hate IM's! I apologize for doing so! I spoke hastily!

Thirdly! Based on the response to my posts I am getting a solid impression that everyone here wants the same thing that I do!

THE TSP TO SUCCEED AND BECOME THE BEST THERE EVER WAS!! woot woot!

So without further ado I thankyou for looking past the booming generalizations and seeing the core of my arguement! You are a fantastic sir (Or ma'am, I won't assume anything )!!!

How about we set up a small committee to discuss the forum organization? Maybe either Hile or Imki can lead it with a couple volunteers and one of the admins?

I'd gladly lead that. If Scylla is up for it I'd like then to join as well. Maybe a non-regular forum goer another citizen and admin?

(01-07-2016, 12:06 PM)Hileville Wrote: I'd gladly lead that. If Scylla is up for it I'd like then to join as well. Maybe a non-regular forum goer another citizen and admin?

Perf! I didn't mean to put you guys on the spot, but I figured if we're going to write up a welcome post we'd need you guys to do it

I was going to throw out Punch — since he started this discussion — and maybe Serene, since he seems like an fresh set of eyes?

I'll check with the other admins, but I'll guarantee at least one of us will be part.

(01-07-2016, 12:06 PM)Hileville Wrote: I'd gladly lead that. If Scylla is up for it I'd like then to join as well. Maybe a non-regular forum goer another citizen and admin?

(01-07-2016, 01:31 PM)Tsunamy Wrote:

(01-07-2016, 12:06 PM)Hileville Wrote: I'd gladly lead that. If Scylla is up for it I'd like then to join as well. Maybe a non-regular forum goer another citizen and admin?

Perf! I didn't mean to put you guys on the spot, but I figured if we're going to write up a welcome post we'd need you guys to do it

I was going to throw out Punch — since he started this discussion — and maybe Serene, since he seems like an fresh set of eyes?

I'll check with the other admins, but I'll guarantee at least one of us will be part.

This is fantastic ideas and, since I have been so vocal here I believe it has become my responsibility to assist in this endeavour. I volunteer for this committee and will begin work immediately.

Hileville once you are fully ready to tackle this and all of the other volunteers have been organized, pm me and we can all meet up at the discord server. Yah, the discord server seems to be the best place to host a group think tank like this.

Yeah I've been very busy the past few days so that's why I've not been posting. Oh and I'd be glad to join any committee.

Just to respond to Serres. I am a wee bit confessed about your comment on me being "disorganised" by posting this topic here where the decisions about our region are made instead of talking to an admin. It's the Assembly's job along with the Cabinet's job to generate activity not the admins. Plus I don't see how sending the same thing to the admins is anymore organised than posting to the Assembly if anything it's more disorganised.

I'd quickly like to raise a small concern of mine. Our MoRA has not yet replied to this thread despite the fact that as the Charter states it's his job to create activity. I would have thought that he would have given his option on this as it does concern him. Just pointing that out.

To tsu I'll make a short list soon if you still want me to.