(03-09-2016, 07:28 PM)Wolf Wrote: Wow, that video is idiotic.

First of 90% on income taxes? No, just no. The proposal Bernie is backing is that is 90% is taxable over a certain amount. So like if you make over 3 million dollars a year, everything over 3 million dollars is taxed 90%. You're not straight paying 90% of your 3 million dollars to the government.

Plus I love the statement "I have to pay everybody's salary and everybody's college?" First, if you're a business owner, you're going to have to pay your workers a salary, surprise! Although it probably shouldn't have come as a surprise if you have at least a 5th grade understanding of economics. Second, yeah, that's how taxes work, buddy. Everybody is paying for this, not just the uber rich. The difference being the uber rich now actually have to pay more of a fair share as oppose to the ludicrously low taxes they pay now.

Listening to this little brat whining on about how he shouldn't have to be taxed and how he shouldn't have to contribute to our society is just sickening. And people complain about my generation being entitled.

Evidence to support Wolf's argument

http://taxfoundation.org/article/details...s-tax-plan

http://usuncut.com/news/sanders-shoots-d...-tax-plan/

http://www.ijreview.com/2016/01/518941-b...s-massive/

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2016/03...-analysis/

http://taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/2...posals.pdf

(03-09-2016, 06:13 PM)Punchwood Wrote: there is no point in debating as none of you are even willing to listen to my arguments.

A slightly off-topic thing that I figured I might as well post here.

(03-09-2016, 08:10 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote:

(03-09-2016, 06:13 PM)Punchwood Wrote: there is no point in debating as none of you are even willing to listen to my arguments.

I don't understand this. I'm sorry if it feels like I'm attacking you, but I just don't understand how disproving your arguments with sources means we aren't listening to them. Res listened to your arguments, did the research and concluded you weren't being accurate. And he took the time to explain in detail why and to provide sources to back it up. How is that not listening to you?

Exactly. We have listened to your arguments and come to the conclusion that they are relevant but inaccurate or otherwise problematic.

Watching that billionaire talk made me sick. At first, I would had supported him if Wolf did not put out such critic. However, he's just saying: "Oh, you're poor and not fatass rich like I am? Too bad. Education is for the ones who can afford it, not for lowlives like you"

These hardline capitalists want a de-regulated economy, as they get richer and richer. Hey, billionaire dude, you have billions of dollars. If that 90% tax was true, you would still have millions to spend. I envy even having just $1 million. Oh what, collaborating makes you feel angry? You greedy jackass.

And he says "I can't influence legislation [if Bernie Sanders]". Oh, welcome to the club! It would be great to manipulate Congress so they can pass bills to benefit me, but I have two things: lack of money and a CONSCIENCE. You should really buy one, they come free at birth.

We should have free education, healthcare and welfare for ALL citizens of the United States of America, not only for those who succeed. Oh, you're gonna feel poor? Wow, you haven't felt real poverty in a long time, have you?

This is not an issue of "Yay, I succeeded!" or not. The wealth gap is rising, companies are getting richer, and the poor poorer. Is it so hard to collaborate with the fellow man? Is it so much to ask for equality? Am I less than you?

You can't deny that if you go out of the USA, you'll lose money. A lot of it. If that 90% tax was true then okay, you win. But its not, at least not how you are describing it.

No. Non. Nei. Nej. Nie. Nee. Nyet. Ochi. Nein. What language do you want me to say it? Mandarin? I am a human being, and I require of basic needs just like you. So I should be denied those needs if I didn't succeed? So Im less than you if I don't succeed? What's wrong with you?

P.S.: I partly support taxes, if they are used in the right way. However, if a government is corrupt as hell, you'll take my money out of my cold, dead hands.

I love the fact that you miss the video showing Sanders supporters admitting his plans are realistic and the newspaper article showing that the Sanders would tax too much.

My Mum gave birth to me at 19 and my Dad left us when I was 4 I saw once in a while but not much he was too busy intersected in his toys. We moved into mu Uncles house as we had no where else to go. I can remember ice forming on the windows there were 6 people living in that house and I went to some crappy wee state school where the "poor" kids went to take drugs, kill each other and get pissed. You would then leave school at 16 leave off the dole for a bit then get some crappy job in a supermarket before dying from a drug overdose or an alcohol related problem. So do you think I like the fact that there are people out there with so much when so many have so little? That I agreed with everything that billionaire said? No of course I didn't yet I respect him. I respect hard work which is how most of these people became successful. My mum born into a working class family, a teenage mother worked hard and ended up becoming the second most senior Civil Servant in Scotland and if she hadn't retired so early would have gone on to become the most senior.

Most of you expect from Ryccia probably don't even know what it's like to live in poverty. To go to bed some nights hungry since you can't afford to buy food, to go to a school where nearly everyone is destined to fail and to find that in the dead of Winter it's warmer outside than it is inside. Most of these people have worked bloody hard to get to where they are and I respect them for that. You can't punish people for being rich, yes they should pay more but to tax them so heavily is not right and is not fair.

You guys love pointing to Europe for examples so here are two. The Labour Party in 1979 lost the General Election for being too left wing yet they remained on the far left and they lost every election until 1997. When Tony Blair brought the party to the centre and they did so much and it was good stuff for working people. The Labour Party now has someone just like Bernie; Jeremy Corbyn. He was really popular with young people, is on the far left, anti-war, an outsider, for everyday people and against the rich. His supporters showed people polls that said that he was electable when the "establishment" said he wasn't. He was at one point (he may still be) the most unpopular Opposition Leader ever, his approve ratings within his own party are low, they are even lower with ordinary voters and are still slipping. That is why Conservatives wanted him elected and that is why Republicans want Sanders elected as they cannot win elections.

The current state of affairs punishes the poor to always be poor.

'You're poor, eh? Stay there, you work good.'

This is a matter of evening the odds so people grown up in a scenario like yours can go on to do great things and not be stuck high, drunk, or dead.

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I also advise you to address the points brought against your argument before delving into an emotional story. Your argument would hold better weight.


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(03-11-2016, 07:28 PM)Punchwood Wrote: I love the fact that you miss the video showing Sanders supporters admitting his plans are realistic and the newspaper article showing that the Sanders would tax too much.

My Mum gave birth to me at 19 and my Dad left us when I was 4 I saw once in a while but not much he was too busy intersected in his toys. We moved into mu Uncles house as we had no where else to go. I can remember ice forming on the windows there were 6 people living in that house and I went to some crappy wee state school where the "poor" kids went to take drugs, kill each other and get pissed. You would then leave school at 16 leave off the dole for a bit then get some crappy job in a supermarket before dying from a drug overdose or an alcohol related problem. So do you think I like the fact that there are people out there with so much when so many have so little? That I agreed with everything that billionaire said? No of course I didn't yet I respect him. I respect hard work which is how most of these people became successful. My mum born into a working class family, a teenage mother worked hard and ended up becoming the second most senior Civil Servant in Scotland and if she hadn't retired so early would have gone on to become the most senior.

Most of you expect from Ryccia probably don't even know what it's like to live in poverty. To go to bed some nights hungry since you can't afford to buy food, to go to a school where nearly everyone is destined to fail and to find that in the dead of Winter it's warmer outside than it is inside. Most of these people have worked bloody hard to get to where they are and I respect them for that. You can't punish people for being rich, yes they should pay more but to tax them so heavily is not right and is not fair.

You guys love pointing to Europe for examples so here are two. The Labour Party in 1979 lost the General Election for being too left wing yet they remained on the far left and they lost every election until 1997. When Tony Blair brought the party to the centre and they did so much and it was good stuff for working people. The Labour Party now has someone just like Bernie; Jeremy Corbyn. He was really popular with young people, is on the far left, anti-war, an outsider, for everyday people and against the rich. His supporters showed people polls that said that he was electable when the "establishment" said he wasn't. He was at one point (he may still be) the most unpopular Opposition Leader ever, his approve ratings within his own party are low, they are even lower with ordinary voters and are still slipping. That is why Conservatives wanted him elected and that is why Republicans want Sanders elected as they cannot win elections.

Republicans want Sanders nominated, Democrats want Trump nominated. What does that say?

(03-11-2016, 11:01 PM)Qvait Wrote:

(03-11-2016, 07:28 PM)Punchwood Wrote: I love the fact that you miss the video showing Sanders supporters admitting his plans are realistic and the newspaper article showing that the Sanders would tax too much.

My Mum gave birth to me at 19 and my Dad left us when I was 4 I saw once in a while but not much he was too busy intersected in his toys. We moved into mu Uncles house as we had no where else to go. I can remember ice forming on the windows there were 6 people living in that house and I went to some crappy wee state school where the "poor" kids went to take drugs, kill each other and get pissed. You would then leave school at 16 leave off the dole for a bit then get some crappy job in a supermarket before dying from a drug overdose or an alcohol related problem. So do you think I like the fact that there are people out there with so much when so many have so little? That I agreed with everything that billionaire said? No of course I didn't yet I respect him. I respect hard work which is how most of these people became successful. My mum born into a working class family, a teenage mother worked hard and ended up becoming the second most senior Civil Servant in Scotland and if she hadn't retired so early would have gone on to become the most senior.

Most of you expect from Ryccia probably don't even know what it's like to live in poverty. To go to bed some nights hungry since you can't afford to buy food, to go to a school where nearly everyone is destined to fail and to find that in the dead of Winter it's warmer outside than it is inside. Most of these people have worked bloody hard to get to where they are and I respect them for that. You can't punish people for being rich, yes they should pay more but to tax them so heavily is not right and is not fair.

You guys love pointing to Europe for examples so here are two. The Labour Party in 1979 lost the General Election for being too left wing yet they remained on the far left and they lost every election until 1997. When Tony Blair brought the party to the centre and they did so much and it was good stuff for working people. The Labour Party now has someone just like Bernie; Jeremy Corbyn. He was really popular with young people, is on the far left, anti-war, an outsider, for everyday people and against the rich. His supporters showed people polls that said that he was electable when the "establishment" said he wasn't. He was at one point (he may still be) the most unpopular Opposition Leader ever, his approve ratings within his own party are low, they are even lower with ordinary voters and are still slipping. That is why Conservatives wanted him elected and that is why Republicans want Sanders elected as they cannot win elections.

Republicans want Sanders nominated, Democrats want Trump nominated. What does that say?

you're screwed?

Whoever gets the party nomination, Either party is screwed