He's messaged me twice asking about the delay and I've told him to sit tight as there's nothing I can tell him.

[emoji210] I don't know why you assume I'm a boy. That's very offensive of you. I don't assume you're a King penguin!

Anyways, thanks for not mentioning this thread, Raven. I do appreciate that everybody followed the confidentiality thing.

'tis meant to be confidential. I'm pretty sure he knows what's going on as I doubt this is his first "rodeo", and just agreed to wait.

(12-09-2014, 06:52 PM)Sandaoguo Wrote: [emoji210] I don't know why you assume I'm a boy. That's very offensive of you. I don't assume you're a King penguin!

 
Your profile says male? and every pronoun I've ever seen used with you is a male one? That is why i said boys? And as I routinely call myself Queen PrincessLady with a pink penguin the assumption that I'm a male would be foolish. 
And okie Raven. It's first after eating on my to do list. 

(12-09-2014, 05:26 PM)Sandaoguo Wrote: It's easy for me to feel like you're discounting everything I've said because I'm defender, Tsu, when you lead by painting this as defenders not liking imperialist. Maybe I misinterpreted you, but that's what it's come off as. Questioning the veracity of the evidence I've provided also makes me feel disrespected, because it sounds like you genuinely think I have a reason to lie about it. I don't understand why you don't think what I've provided is evidence, and I'm confused why when I try to explain it, you yell at me for lecturing your commitment to security. I'm not sure how to be respectful, because up until my last post, I don't feel like I've been disrespectful at all. We've talked past each other this whole thread it seems, and I'm upset because that's resulted in what I think is a regrettable decision.

GR -- then I apologize. I didn't mean to make you think I was ignoring your view and/or information. It was certainly not my intention.

Again, I'm not saying NES isn't a security risk and/or that we can't revoke citizenship the moment things get hairy. But I have a really high bar to think we should do it preemptively. Maybe that's impractical, but I'm sooner be open than closed.

The reason I bought up the R/D debate is specifically because you're on the opposite side of NES. That aim wasn't to question your authenticity, but rather an attempt to play Devil's Advocate of sorts. I don't want someone to say "TSP did x because of GR," like I don't want someone to say, "TSP did y because of Raven." I get this is hard to prove at the moment, but I would like to think I'd do the same thing if the roles were reversed and Raven was arguing about a prominent member from TRR and Laz.

And, I sincerely mean the above. Mark this and if push comes to shove you have my explicit permission to quote me.

Thank you Pen ^^

Thanks, Tsu. I apologize for the disrespectful post I made before this cathartic, I guess the word is, exchange.

[emoji210], that was a joke, but I always forget sarcasm doesn't come across well on the internet.

Is okie :-) how did you make the penguin btw?

(12-09-2014, 01:16 PM)Lord Ravenclaw Wrote: He is essentially the Imperial version of Unibot. He is the front man of the Imperials who tests the waters, much the way Unibot does for the defenders.

They exist to fight each-other. The differences between them are that NES has a good deal more experience than Unibot does and I'd argue more patience for long term plans.

Like Unibot, his advice and suggestions are based on his personal views. NES in this case, pushes the mentality of independence. I learnt exactly how he defines it at the conference recently (yes, I attended the Euro one as part of the Equilism delegation and enjoyed it) and I do think that he has a rather interesting viewpoint of things. Take anything either of them say with a grain of salt.

The "allies" saying he is bad news are defender regions, who have a natural rivalry with NES and the imperials. Until last June 2013, the defenders had the political monopoly in NS. That has changed since then with more and more militaries and regions either embracing a bi-gameplay approach or eschewing any form of label. Personally, I want to look at what would happen if we were to do the same to Unibot, ignoring the fact that he is a member of the cabinet and treated him like a new applicant.

We would have threats of heaven being brought down on our evil and tarnished souls for dare defying him. Or whatever spiel of bullshit we'll get hit with next.

TL;DR version? NES (imp) = Unibot (def) | Don't trust either of them | Take whatever they say with a pinch of salt.

Charming, Raven. 

(12-09-2014, 09:33 PM)Penguin Wrote: Is okie :-) how did you make the penguin btw?

They're emojis! We have Tapatalk, so emojis from iPhone display on our forums.