Then you'll see the oppression of the people made by the soviets! The Great Purge! Mao's killings! The Kosovar Genocide! The Ukranian Famine! And so on!

(05-01-2015, 09:06 PM)Darkstrait Wrote:

(05-01-2015, 11:24 AM)Punchwood Wrote: Yes the middle ground is being a social democrat.

No, it's being a democratic socialist. There's a difference.

Democratic socialism has the goal of establishing socialism in a peaceful, democratic manner. It isn't really a middle ground between capitalism and socialism because, well, it is socialism, but achieved via democratic means.

Social democracy, on the other hand, generally supports a mixed economy (both the state and the private sector direct the economy) and opposes the excesses of capitalism such as inequality, and poverty, while rejecting both a totally free market or a fully planned economy; it can be considered a middle ground between the two systems.

(05-01-2015, 10:37 PM)Ryccia Wrote: Then you'll see the oppression of the people made by the soviets! The Great Purge! Mao's killings! The Kosovar Genocide! The Ukranian Famine! And so on!

Any and all genocides committed in Kosovo, Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, etc. were for the most part not driven by communism, as Yugoslavia had already allowed its first McDonald's into the country several years previously.

As for the capitalist side, I need only mention the many Latin American dictatorships that the US propped up and, when they were overthrown, did their best to reinstall.

One interesting case of this was one rebel group, who overthrew the US-backed dictatorship and installed a leftist republic. They lost the first elections and willingly gave up power.

(05-04-2015, 06:08 PM)Darkstrait Wrote:

(05-01-2015, 10:37 PM)Ryccia Wrote: Then you'll see the oppression of the people made by the soviets! The Great Purge! Mao's killings! The Kosovar Genocide! The Ukranian Famine! And so on!

Any and all genocides committed in Kosovo, Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, etc. were for the most part not driven by communism, as Yugoslavia had already allowed its first McDonald's into the country several years previously.

As for the capitalist side, I need only mention the many Latin American dictatorships that the US propped up and, when they were overthrown, did their best to reinstall.

One interesting case of this was one rebel group, who overthrew the US-backed dictatorship and installed a leftist republic. They lost the first elections and willingly gave up power.

All thanks to the Soviet Union. The US was very crazy on stopping communism and socialism.

Although, who killed more?
Stalin- 20 million
Mao Zedong- 60 million
Kim Il-Sung: 1-1.5 million
Pol Pot- Around 1-2 million(a quarter of Cambodia's population)
Lenin- 10-20 million

That's a lot of people dead. The capitalist side did not kill that many. And there are more dictators I need to cover that either I don't know about or I don't know their death toll.

There you have it. Historically, communism is not just authoritarian, its a serial killer.

That's extremist communism, with dictatorships killing off its people.

Plus, 500,000,000 million Chinese people have gotten out of poverty thanks to the CCP.


Jasper Henn

(05-04-2015, 07:53 PM)ProfessorHenn Wrote: That's extremist communism, with dictatorships killing off its people.

Plus, 500,000,000 million Chinese people have gotten out of poverty thanks to the CCP.


Jasper Henn

After Mao? And yeah, was that in the CAPITALIST period, if it was after Mao?

It's a mix of communism and capitalism.

Nonetheless, most dictators associate with communism since that's the easiest way for them to increase their power.

This does not mean that communism is bad, only wrongly associated.


Jasper Henn

(05-04-2015, 09:05 PM)ProfessorHenn Wrote: It's a mix of communism and capitalism.

Nonetheless, most dictators associate with communism since that's the easiest way for them to increase their power.

This does not mean that communism is bad, only wrongly associated.


Jasper Henn

Communism. Great in theory, horrifying in practice. If the CSA(Communist States of America) ever does get implemented, I'll see americans in poverty, mass killings, dictatorships, oppression, authoritarianism, etc.

Government corruption is a piece of cake in communism, and that's what I worry about a communist state above all. My life.

Please, show me all the details on this CSA, as it is possible to merge democracy and communism.


Jasper Henn

(05-04-2015, 09:18 PM)ProfessorHenn Wrote: Please, show me all the details on this CSA, as it is possible to merge democracy and communism.


Jasper Henn

Our nature is clear: we are greedy, selfish beings. One way or another, a dictatorship may come with the government regulating EVERYTHING