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RE: [DEBATING] A1906.01: Alignment Act - Roavin - 06-12-2019 My fellow Legislators, as you consider the merits of all of this, consider the two sides that have been arguing here, and the rhetorical devices being deployed by each. Specifically, there are quite a few claims made by the anti-defender side that the pro-defender side has argued against, while the anti-defender side has not provided any substantive reasoning for their claims.
And after all that, consider that Belschaft (and to a lesser extent Rebeltopia) thought it fitting to insult the motivations of other long-time dedicated South Pacificans, and Belschaft even literally engaged in gaslighting tactics to argue against this move. The Pro-Defender side of the argument did none of these things. One side is trying to argue in good faith, the other is trying to argue using rhetorical tactics. Which side do you want to be on? (EDIT: Fixed some of my derpy early-morning grammar) RE: [DEBATING] A1906.01: Alignment Act - USoVietnam - 06-12-2019 I propose that the original poster (@Omega) should rename this thread to "Should we become a defender region" or similar and start a new thread which directly debates the related amendments and laws. RE: [DEBATING] A1906.01: Alignment Act - Beepee - 06-12-2019 Can I ask a question (sorry if it's already been discussed elsewhere I've read the thread twice and im getting my head round it, but I can't see this question/answer) why is this law necessary? RE: [DEBATING] A1906.01: Alignment Act - Kurnugia - 06-12-2019 I have changed my mind and I support this act. However, I would also like to add that we should run a one membership only for SPSFian. It is only logical to do so. People, in my two years worth of GP exp. are far less committed to the org if they have another one to worry about. What SPSF needs more than anything are committed officers to keep it running. We don't need people that are only halfheartedly with us. People should want to commit if they want to join SPSF not just be there to have a pretty tag in Libcord. RE: [DEBATING] A1906.01: Alignment Act - Roavin - 06-12-2019 (06-12-2019, 03:43 AM)Beepee Wrote: Can I ask a question (sorry if it's already been discussed elsewhere I've read the thread twice and im getting my head round it, but I can't see this question/answer) why is this law necessary? See here. RE: [DEBATING] A1906.01: Alignment Act - Amerion - 06-12-2019 To my understanding, Glen is preparing an omnibus package — is this separate from what W&S is presenting? RE: [DEBATING] A1906.01: Alignment Act - Belschaft - 06-12-2019 I think you've crossed a line by accusing me of "gaslighting" people Roavin, but if that's how you want to play this then fine. I don't care enough to put up with that shit. I'm out. [DEBATING] A1906.01: Alignment Act - ProfessorHenn - 06-12-2019 (06-12-2019, 04:27 AM)Kurnugia Wrote: I have changed my mind and I support this act. I understand what you’re coming from with regards to this, but it’s not the best idea to ensure loyalty to the SPSF, which is what you’re trying to accomplish, no? Soldiers and officers both may join other organisations to fulfil their desire for R/D gameplay because the SPSF isn’t doing the best possible job at that. Plus, enforcing this sort of regulation would be a nightmare on the part of the SPSF leadership and would take away valuable time and energy better spent on preparing operations, training new recruits, and conducting campaigns to increase the overall number of soldiers we have. It may not even be successful, as individuals can change their names used amongst regions rather easily, and so we have spent a lot of time doing little. It would be better to work on promoting and training the SPSF right now, so that it may eventually begin to take a larger role within R/D gameplay. We are a feeder, it is not the best when our regulars number in the single digits. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: [DEBATING] A1906.01: Alignment Act - Roavin - 06-12-2019 (06-12-2019, 08:21 AM)ProfessorHenn Wrote: Plus, enforcing this sort of regulation would be a nightmare on the part of the SPSF leadership and would take away valuable time and energy better spent on preparing operations, training new recruits, and conducting campaigns to increase the overall number of soldiers we have. Not really. Usually, if somebody's double dipping, we'll notice anyway. RE: [DEBATING] A1906.01: Alignment Act - Rebeltopia - 06-12-2019 Excuse me, Mr Prime Minister. I think you're the one being a bit out of line. Nowhere in my post have I "... insult[ed] the motivations of other long-time dedicated South Pacificans". I didn't call anyone out. I didn't smear names. All I said was that if you - who are pushing this resolution - wanted a defender region, to join one, or make your own. I didn't say leave, I said leave TSP alone; two completely different things. (06-10-2019, 07:30 PM)Rebeltopia Wrote: Im going to say its a hard no from me. TSP has always been a welcoming community. Even if someone has wronged us, any ban has rarely been permanent. We've welcomed the likes of Cormac - even after we knew his MO from multiple other regions - into our community, and we welcomed Unibot back on multiple occasions. Even people like Milograd have been welcome to return in some capacity. We're an open community, and to put a hard R or D into law would go against the very foundation of The South Pacific. We've always prided ourselves as welcoming everyone, and I won't stand to see TSP lose that particular value. I'm not arguing against TSP picking an ideology, as I know centrism is and of itself an ideology. I'd argue just as hard if you were looking to turn The South Pacific into a raider region. And as for the TRR argument, It seems like I was wrong. TSP doesn't seem to be the most friendly place any more... |