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RE: [OOC] Southern Cooperation Organisation - Darkstrait - 08-09-2015
Hammerstar, you should open Genesis to the whole of the international community.
[OOC] Southern Cooperation Organisation - Hammerstar - 08-09-2015
It is open for all, but the organizers and sponsors are sco members
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RE: [OOC] Southern Cooperation Organisation - Kris Kringle - 08-20-2015
Honestly, I have to insist on two things I'm noticing:
1. Observers are not members. Unless explicitly authorised by a resolution, they can't participate in SCO programmes. In fact, they can only speak in Council meetings because nobody has objected to that. They can't be the primary participants in a debate.
2. You need to draft resolutions. You've spent days (or weeks) already debating Genesis and the education fund, and there's still no resolution. I don't know about other members, but I just can't be discussing ambiguities. I need to see what is it you are proposing in the form of a resolution draft.
Yes, I know you've said this is still a discussion, with informal votes and all, but that's really not how it should be. You should be submitting a draft, and we'd be negotiating based on what you proposed, not what we assume you will propose.
RE: [OOC] Southern Cooperation Organisation - Hammerstar - 08-20-2015
Whew, alright. I'll get a draft.
Genesis has no draft, but the education fund is needed to be done this way.
We have said enough on what the framework is going to be, and we need to know the universities that is willing to partake in such actions. It'll be silly to make a draft resolution and only list Knightisian universities. I would need a list of universities first, before making a concrete draft.
Anyway, shortly, I'm sending a message to you. Please read it.
RE: [OOC] Southern Cooperation Organisation - Hammerstar - 08-20-2015
In other news, are we still not allowed to initiate trade with Ryccia?
RE: [OOC] Southern Cooperation Organisation - Kris Kringle - 08-20-2015
You don't need to include universities in a draft though. Think of it this way: your resolution establishes the fund, describes its purpose, how universities may join, etc. Once it passes, the framework will be there, so universities only need to start joining. I mean, after all, you don't plan on amending the resolution every time another university joins, right?
Correct, trade with Ryccia is still banned. So you probably shouldnt have sold trains.
RE: [OOC] Southern Cooperation Organisation - Hammerstar - 08-20-2015
Way ahead of you man.
The people who sold the trains is Forevermore Intercontinental Connection, which has unconnected itself as a state owned company into an international company. Meaning that the only laws they must follow is the laws of the countries they will be servicing.
In short, they are not bound to Hammerstar's restriction to not trade with Ryccia.
Anyways, you may have a point. I'll start writing it up now, it'll take a long time, but hey, it's the SCO.
RE: [OOC] Southern Cooperation Organisation - Kris Kringle - 08-20-2015
Of course they do. Do you really think US companies would have trade with Cuba simply because they weren't state-owned? Res002 says "Member States are instructed to take the following actions against the Constitutional Monarchy of Ryccia (...) Refusal to engage in trade and commercial exchanges, except for humanitarian and food purposes". Governments don't do the majority of trade, that's private companies, which are understood to be covered by the resolution.
In other words, the resolution doesn't say the government can't trade with Ryccia, it says the government must ban trade with Ryccia.
RE: [OOC] Southern Cooperation Organisation - Hammerstar - 08-20-2015
Keep in mind that Forevermore Intercontinental Connection was unconnected as a state owned enterprise when Henn pulls out all his embassies.
"Refusal to engage in trade and commercial exchanges, except for humanitarian and food purposes" Those were signed by the government, and it is the government that must refuse to engage in trade and commercial exchanges.
International enterprises that does not root and comply with a single government, rather the laws of the land they work on, would not be bound by this. Which means that the Forevermore Intercontinental Connection, that sold the trains to Ryccia, is abiding under Ryccian law, which if I'm not mistaken, was not a signatory nor sponsor of Resolution 002.
RE: [OOC] Southern Cooperation Organisation - Kris Kringle - 08-20-2015
That's ridiculous, Hammerstar. Resolution 002 included that provision specifically to prevent any trade between the SCO and Ryccia. As the one person who drafted the resolution, that was my goal. Unless you own a large portion of all industries, your role as a government is to promote trade, not to engage in it. That's what private companies will do. You have signed a commitment to stop all trade with Ryccia. You can't argue that private Hammerstar companies aren't covered by that commitment.
Sanctions mean nothing if any government can simply privatise a company and continue selling to Ryccia. That's just not how sanctions work.