(12-27-2018, 11:59 PM)Beepee Wrote: @Nat

Sorry I think I missed this question.


it possible to add an exemption for TSP members on official business elsewhere? I assume we would not use a PNG declaration on members of our military, for example.


I don't know if that s necessary? Our military is working for us. Or am I missing something?

(12-28-2018, 04:20 AM)Nat Wrote:

(12-27-2018, 11:59 PM)Beepee Wrote: @Nat

Sorry I think I missed this question.


it possible to add an exemption for TSP members on official business elsewhere? I assume we would not use a PNG declaration on members of our military, for example.


I don't know if that s necessary? Our military is working for us. Or am I missing something?

"An individual may be declared non grata [...] before reentering TSP," could be applicable to members of our military fighting a battle in another region. I know that usage is extremely unlikely, but it should be protected against. Your wording of "arriving in" and "reentering" imply (in my mind) TSP as the physical region not as the organisation.

(12-28-2018, 04:23 AM)Amerion Wrote:

(12-28-2018, 04:20 AM)Nat Wrote:

(12-27-2018, 11:59 PM)Beepee Wrote: @Nat

Sorry I think I missed this question.


it possible to add an exemption for TSP members on official business elsewhere? I assume we would not use a PNG declaration on members of our military, for example.


I don't know if that s necessary? Our military is working for us. Or am I missing something?

"An individual may be declared non grata [...] before reentering TSP," could be applicable to members of our military fighting a battle in another region. I know that usage is extremely unlikely, but it should be protected against. Your wording of "arriving in" and "reentering" imply (in my mind) TSP as the physical region not as the organisation.

@Roavin may want to wade in here but don't SPSF members use puppet nations in ops rather than their mains (which remain in TSP)?

(12-28-2018, 12:09 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: If we’re talking about foreigners, why not consider what foreigners are? They’re non-legislators who hold citizenship or title in a foreign region.

Focusing on physical presence is a little wrongheaded. Because a PNG declaration is being issued to expel a foreigner, making it so we can only do it if they’re not already in the region doesn’t make a lot of sense.

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(12-28-2018, 01:14 PM)Belschaft Wrote:

(12-28-2018, 12:09 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: If we’re talking about foreigners, why not consider what foreigners are? They’re non-legislators who hold citizenship or title in a foreign region.

Focusing on physical presence is a little wrongheaded. Because a PNG declaration is being issued to expel a foreigner, making it so we can only do it if they’re not already in the region doesn’t make a lot of sense.

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Non-citizens, you mean. 

(12-28-2018, 08:40 PM)sandaoguo Wrote:

(12-28-2018, 01:14 PM)Belschaft Wrote:

(12-28-2018, 12:09 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: If we’re talking about foreigners, why not consider what foreigners are? They’re non-legislators who hold citizenship or title in a foreign region.

Focusing on physical presence is a little wrongheaded. Because a PNG declaration is being issued to expel a foreigner, making it so we can only do it if they’re not already in the region doesn’t make a lot of sense.

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Non-citizens, you mean. 

No, non-legislators specifically. Because we defined "citizen" as anyone with a nation in the region, which is the exact thing I mentioned makes no sense...

(12-28-2018, 04:23 AM)Amerion Wrote: @Roavin may want to wade in here but don't SPSF members use puppet nations in ops rather than their mains (which remain in TSP)?

(12-28-2018, 03:23 AM)Amerion Wrote: It is on the basis of these beliefs of mine that I think it would be better if the aforementioned pieces of legislation were repealed in favour of a unified Persona Non Grata law which places the power of proscriptions with the CRS, with continued oversight by the Courts, and perhaps, with the potential for overturning such proscriptions by the Assembly (with a high threshold).

(12-30-2018, 02:38 AM)Roavin Wrote:

(12-28-2018, 03:23 AM)Amerion Wrote: It is on the basis of these beliefs of mine that I think it would be better if the aforementioned pieces of legislation were repealed in favour of a unified Persona Non Grata law which places the power of proscriptions with the CRS, with continued oversight by the Courts, and perhaps, with the potential for overturning such proscriptions by the Assembly (with a high threshold).

I fully, fully agree. Something that merges the good of the extant law, Article 4 and Beepee's draft into some sensible and coherent whole.