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RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - Darkstrait - 04-21-2015
Democratic Socialism for the win!
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - Ryccia - 04-30-2015
Democratic socialism? That's socialism but with democracy, right? Or is it the same as Social Democracy?
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - Kris Kringle - 04-30-2015
Probably something you want to google.
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - Ryccia - 04-30-2015
So it is different from social democracy. And its socialist alright.
Socialism versus Capitalism - ProfessorHenn - 04-30-2015
(04-21-2015, 02:33 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote: Communism is also a bad thing. Say what you want, but people do work hard to get benefits, and it's not just fair or right to take that away from them. Ensuring that those at disadvantage get their fair share shouldn't involve taking away the rights to private property and enterprise. There are much better ways to ensure equality, as many countries have shown.
I have made a revelation!
If all people are born and raised under the idea that everything they do is for society and the community, not themselves, then if one does take away the right to free enterprise it wouldn't come down so harshly.
Jasper Henn
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - Ryccia - 04-30-2015
Yes. But I(and maybe we) was not raised, or Im not being raised, in that way. And if you tell me to teach my children communism, even if America is communist, I'll teach them about capitalism. The free market.
And even if we were raised that way, our temptations will just break those traditions like a blade.
I do not want the government or the community managing our product supply in a communist way. Im the one who decides how much I buy, not the community. No one can force me to give to others.
Let me see, communism is:
*You get paid, but what you produce will be distributed equally.
Well, no. Im the one who, with my hard-earned money, decides what to buy, how much I buy. Not the state.
Socialism versus Capitalism - ProfessorHenn - 04-30-2015
The powers of the state tend to be more powerful than one person, except if that one person knows how to ignite a flame within others.
If the state were to begin teaching communism, in 50 years, the majority of the population will be in support of communism, and capitalism will be on its way out, along with its cons and pros. 100 years, communism is a supermajority. 200 years, the roles of the two will have switched, with little support of capitalism due to human nature's engraved communistic thinking.
Jasper Henn
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - Resentine - 04-30-2015
Henn does make a legitimate point. If you teach people something, and you say that it is the better way, they will eventually see it as the better way. Look at North Korea, for example. In a period of over 60 years, they've gone from being a simple communist militia to being a total and complete dictatorship, and through the power of indoctrination, they've managed to convince a significant majority of their population believe that North Korea is the Most Advanced Country in the world, and that the Kim family line has the power of gods. However, that requires people not to think. For themselves, at least. And that way would have a hard time convincing rational people, because all rational people know, that no single way, not capitalism, not socialism, not any single way is perfect. And that's why we have rational people, people who are willing to compromise, in power in so many places. Look at Barack Obama, for example. I've heard so many people call him weak because he tries to compromise so much. It is in my opinion, that, it is a lot harder for people to try and compromise in the same way Obama has for the last 8 years, than it is to stick to your guns, and yell at the top of your lungs, "I'm right!".
I get the whole idea of this being one or the other, but, come on, someone has to be the middle ground.
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - Punchwood - 05-01-2015
Yes the middle ground is being a social democrat.
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - Darkstrait - 05-01-2015
(05-01-2015, 11:24 AM)Punchwood Wrote: Yes the middle ground is being a social democrat.
No, it's being a democratic socialist. There's a difference.
I don't see why this hasn't been implemented. Probably because the US government skooshes it whenever they see it, calling it 'communism'.
I've started the Cold War unit in History this week, too. That'll be interesting, since I've already gone through other sources about it and the stuff involved, and I'm interesting in comparing the various sources to the state-sanitized curriculum.