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RE: Rules Change: Remove inactive participants - Jebediah - 08-30-2022 (08-30-2022, 02:16 PM)HumanSanity Wrote: Why can't we set it to "must participate in debate" instead? Frankly, that's a far better bar for how active someone is in the Great Council than voting participation. Ignoring the arguments on whether this would be a good idea or not for a second, how would you even achieve this? I'm pretty sure any requirement along these lines would be fairly arbitrary. RE: Rules Change: Remove inactive participants - Volaworand - 08-31-2022 (08-30-2022, 04:24 PM)Jebediah Wrote:(08-30-2022, 02:16 PM)HumanSanity Wrote: Why can't we set it to "must participate in debate" instead? Frankly, that's a far better bar for how active someone is in the Great Council than voting participation. To make the GC into an episode of Big Brother? RE: Rules Change: Remove inactive participants - Griffindor - 08-31-2022 By this point, if someone hasn't voted on any of the proposals, or been active in debate, then why should they keep a seat at the table that they clearly aren't at? RE: Rules Change: Remove inactive participants - HumanSanity - 08-31-2022 (08-30-2022, 04:24 PM)Jebediah Wrote:(08-30-2022, 02:16 PM)HumanSanity Wrote: Why can't we set it to "must participate in debate" instead? Frankly, that's a far better bar for how active someone is in the Great Council than voting participation. We could trust our able and judicious Chair to make such a determination. Sure, it gives the Chair a lot of power, but they have the trust of the GC. Not to mention, the GC convening resolution creates procedure to overrule Chair membership decisions. It's desirable because the alternative is a GC driven by disengaged spectators rather than people who are being thoughtful and considerate about the legislative process. If you can't make a post to explain your perspective, then why should we consider you an important part of the process of making decisions? All the comparisons to "Big Brother" are, frankly, overhyped. It's not saying "you can only say X", rather it's saying "you must contribute in some way". RE: Rules Change: Remove inactive participants - sandaoguo - 09-01-2022 I’m not opposed to an actual debate requirement, and I would actually prefer it. But it would fall on the Chair to go through every thread and check for posts made by each participants and then judge whether those posts are substantial enough to be considered participation. (I wouldn’t support something that allows posting “this is my participation post,” which is what people did back in the days of posting requirements for citizenship.) Not impossible, but probably a heavy burden. RE: Rules Change: Remove inactive participants - Drystar - 09-01-2022 I’ve issues with rule changes mid stream because people don’t like the initial rules everyone agreed to. Some people may have interest, but haven’t found an issue they’re passionate about, or maybe just nervous about being shot down. RE: Rules Change: Remove inactive participants - sandaoguo - 09-01-2022 Your issues are noted and I’ll point out that the organizing resolution anticipates and provides for changing the rules. The world isn’t static and sometimes changes are warranted. RE: Rules Change: Remove inactive participants - Drystar - 09-01-2022 (09-01-2022, 02:00 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: Your issues are noted and I’ll point out that the organizing resolution anticipates and provides for changing the rules. The world isn’t static and sometimes changes are warranted. Cyclic yes, static no. And my concern is with those who haven’t voiced anything in argument, but have voted. If someone hasn’t participated in any way, then I can understand the desire to deal with that. But let’s not arbitrarily throw out the baby with the bath water. RE: Rules Change: Remove inactive participants - Tsunamy - 09-01-2022 (08-27-2022, 11:37 AM)sandaoguo Wrote: In our first vote, a quarter of participants failed to vote. They should be removed from the Great Council, as this is a body meant to be a vehicle for active debate and consideration of constitutional changes. Inactive participants are not upholding their duties. What about people who were away from NS? Just like, eff 'em? RE: Rules Change: Remove inactive participants - sandaoguo - 09-02-2022 Yes, that’s their issue. Why would this be important if NS as a whole isn’t? |