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On executive action - Tsunamy - 03-28-2015
If I want to ask the Cabinet to enact an executive action, should we vote on it or do I discuss this with the new Cabinet? Or both?
RE: On executive action - Kris Kringle - 03-28-2015
The new Cabinet has no authority yet.
RE: On executive action - Tsunamy - 03-28-2015
(03-28-2015, 12:40 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote: The new Cabinet has no authority yet.
OK — that's what I thought.
As such, I think we should step into this election mess with an executive action. Since this clearly isn't law regarding when election results are questioned, I think we're good under Article 6.1.6.
I say we vote to bar anyone from taking the MoFA seat until the court decides the election results.
We do this with two caveats. First, if the discussions last beyond the start of the new term, Pen (with help from me and an outside third party if need be) can oversee the FA department. Second, if the court decides it can't decide the election, we hold a special election for the seat.
As GR has posted un-relatedly, its a lot harder to kick someone from a seat once they are in it, hence why we should stop Wolf from taking the seat.
Moreover, at this point, even if Wolf takes the seat, there will always be a question mark over him which won't help the region.
As everyone has I'm sure figured out, there are no good outcomes here. But I think this is a step in the right direction.
Thoughts?
RE: On executive action - Unibot - 03-28-2015
I vote for the executive action. I won't be around much today, so just consider this a vote of support for this action. You're right and Glen-Rhodes is right about it being harder to kick someone after they take the seat.
Quote:I say we vote to bar anyone from taking the MoFA seat until the court decides the election results.
We do this with two caveats. First, if the discussions last beyond the start of the new term, Pen (with help from me and an outside third party if need be) can oversee the FA department. Second, if the court decides it can't decide the election, we hold a special election for the seat.
I would say Penguin and Feirmont would be a good team - Feirmont will know what he's been up to as MoFA for the past month, so all the contacts (Elegarth and others) will know him and be able to reach him.
RE: On executive action - Tsunamy - 03-28-2015
(03-28-2015, 01:33 PM)Unibot Wrote: I vote for the executive action. I won't be around much today, so just consider this a vote of support for this action. You're right and Glen-Rhodes is right about it being harder to kick someone after they take the seat.
Quote:I say we vote to bar anyone from taking the MoFA seat until the court decides the election results.
We do this with two caveats. First, if the discussions last beyond the start of the new term, Pen (with help from me and an outside third party if need be) can oversee the FA department. Second, if the court decides it can't decide the election, we hold a special election for the seat.
I would say Penguin and Feirmont would be a good team - Feirmont will know what he's been up to as MoFA for the past month, so all the contacts (Elegarth and others) will know him and be able to reach him.
Cool. I have no problem with Feir, but I was a bit concerned that he might be a bit bit up with the MoRA stuff. Pen and I had talked about maybe Kris as a helping hand? (Sorry Kris, I know is a surprise.)
RE: On executive action - Unibot - 03-28-2015
Yeah Kris would work too. It could also be a team effort. Penguin, Feir, Kris. Or something like that.
RE: On executive action - Feirmont - 03-28-2015
I'm for the executive action and would have no problem helping with the MoFA.
RE: On executive action - Tsunamy - 03-28-2015
Awesome Feir. Thanks.
Votes:
Tsu: Aye
Pen:
Uni: Aye
Kris: Aye
Feir: Aye
Henn: Abstain
I'd like to move ASAP. Once we have a majority, I'll announce.
RE: On executive action - Kris Kringle - 03-28-2015
This will be very controversial. I suggest someone draft a statement clearly outlining the constitutional reasoning behind this decision, since we will need a strong basis to withstand criticism.
I will vote Aye.
RE: On executive action - Unibot - 03-28-2015
Quote:As many of you are aware – there are outstanding issues with regards to the recent Minister of Foreign Affairs election – several of which are still yet to be resolved by the courts. There are also a number of areas of the law in which it remains unclear how the region should respond to this contested mandate.
Without further action, Evil Wolf would ascend to the position of Minister of Foreign Affairs on April 1st despite a number of legal cases remaining unanswered with regards to his election. Furthermore, it is unclear whether a special election can even be called if the Minister of Foreign Affairs general election is found to have proceeded contrary to the proper and established legal procedure.
Therefore, the cabinet has elected to pursue an executive policy to resolve this ongoing legal quagmire; Article 6.1.6 allows the cabinet to act to resolve legal and procedural ambiguities using executive policy.
Our executive policy resolves:
1. Evil Wolf shall be barred from serving as Minister of Foreign Affairs pending the conclusion of any outstanding legal cases which could call into question his candidacy and his election, including any appeals to said decisions.
2. If the courts find the result of this recent Minister of Foreign Affairs election to be undecided, we shall hold a special election to decide the new Minister of Foreign Affairs.
3. Until such time as the Minister of Foreign Affairs seat is filled with a new Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Vice Delegate (Penguin) and the incoming and outgoing Minister of Regional Affairs (Feirmont and Kringalia) shall work as a team to meet the duties of the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Thank you for your patience, understanding and cooperation on this difficult matter.