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**Farengeto** · 03-19-2016, 11:59 AM

(03-19-2016, 09:24 AM)Imperial Frost Federation Wrote: Far please read the history which will let you know that my people are from an entirely different galaxy and have started to settle/occupy parts of the lampshade Galaxy. The map numbers consists of the entire territorial holdings of the IFF which includes both galaxies.

Also the capital is Oured, a city located in the Libra Province of the IFF, on the Planet Terra IX, in the Libra arm of the Frost Galaxy. The Frost Galaxy is also 3/4 the size of the Milky Way galaxy, which is either smaller or larger than the Lampshade galaxy.

All of our civilizations have maybe have half a dozen planets and are barely starting interstellar colonization.

Yours is a massive galactic federation with over 20 million planets and the technology level to travel berween galaxies.

There is quite clearly a problem there.

Efit: And Cath, you've made an off-topic/OOC post in the IC thread.

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Imperial Frost Federation · 03-19-2016, 12:20 PM

Why? The current holdings are much smaller, are essentially cut off from the Frost Galaxy due to distance, and their tech level at this point in time is the equivalent of Halo's covenant. They even got out of a nasty civil war that cost them valuable knowledge and countless lives. The only reason why they even managed to get a foothold was because the 2 galaxies got close enough for them to send an exploration and colonial expedition.

If the issue is the Yukigami, they're not invincible. Yes they have a really long life span and they're more durable than normal humans. However, its because of the conditions of their home planet that allowed them their physical traits. They primarily subsist on meat and fauna that is poisonous to humans and their home planet has a higher gravity than Earth. In addition, better eyesight doesn't equal superiority as they only see farther than humans. They can't see UV or infrared radiation, and can be still be outwitted by mirages, flashbangs or any other tactical noisemaker can do considerable damage to their hearing. Even their sense of smell can be used against them by using malodorous objects. They can still be stabbed, shot or even beaten, it just depends on the amount of gravity exerted on them as well as their foes.

If the Yukigami civilization were encountered at their prime I would understand the arguments of being completely unbalanced because they were on the verge of having the technology as the Precursors, but they lost that knowledge in the war and regressed backwards.

The IC encyclopedia entry is still a Work in Progress. I still need to add more stuff and later, edit it to focus on the colonies, but for now I put in the basic information of my people rather than RESERVED

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**Farengeto** · 03-19-2016, 12:50 PM

(03-19-2016, 12:20 PM)Imperial Frost Federation Wrote: Why? The current holdings are much smaller, are essentially cut off from the Frost Galaxy due to distance, and their tech level at this point in time is the equivalent of Halo's covenant. They even got out of a nasty civil war that cost them valuable knowledge and countless lives. The only reason why they even managed to get a foothold was because the 2 galaxies got close enough for them to send an exploration and colonial expedition.

A war doesn't change the fact that travelling between galaxies takes a level of technology vastly greater than what the rest of us have, after losing their war they still have the technology to maintain a galacy-spanning empire. The fact you have millions of worlds that can provide resources or reinforcements doesn't help either. Galaxies don't move that fast either.

Quote:If the issue is the Yukigami, they're not invincible. Yes they have a really long life span and they're more durable than normal humans. However, its because of the conditions of their home planet that allowed them their physical traits. They primarily subsist on meat and fauna that is poisonous to humans and their home planet has a higher gravity than Earth. In addition, better eyesight doesn't equal superiority as they only see farther than humans. They can't see UV or infrared radiation, and can be still be outwitted by mirages, flashbangs or any other tactical noisemaker can do considerable damage to their hearing. Even their sense of smell can be used against them by using malodorous objects. They can still be stabbed, shot or even beaten, it just depends on the amount of gravity exerted on them as well as their foes.

My issue with them is that your description basically lists of all the ways they are physiologically superior to humans with no apparent drawbacks.

Quote:If the Yukigami civilization were encountered at their prime I would understand the arguments of being completely unbalanced because they were on the verge of having the technology as the Precursors, but they lost that knowledge in the war and regressed backwards.

The IC encyclopedia entry is still a Work in Progress. I still need to add more stuff and later, edit it to focus on the colonies, but for now I put in the basic information of my people rather than RESERVED

We understand that this is a work in progress, like all of ours. That's why we're giving criticism and feedback.

Imperial Frost Federation · 03-19-2016, 01:46 PM

I haven't provided exact distance yet because I need to figure out a distance that's close enough to ship resources but is far away enough that the colonies are forced to fend for themselves. At minimum the distance must be approximately 300 light years away and at most no more than about 480 light years away 25-40 Frost years. Plus the technology to build Gates (artificial worm holes used for near instantaneous travel) was lost, forcing them to use slip space travel to go beyond the Frost Galaxy. So help would arrive much too late in any given scenario. And no they can't ship new gates because they can't build new ones or use preexisting gates since the old Galaxy is in dire need of them to move aid.

**Farengeto** · 03-19-2016, 02:09 PM

(03-19-2016, 01:46 PM)Imperial Frost Federation Wrote: At minimum the distance must be approximately 300 light years away and at most no more than about 480 light years away 25-40 Frost years.

...you do realize galaxies are MILLIONS of light years away? The galaxy our map is based on alone is 170,000 light years wide.

Imperial Frost Federation · 03-19-2016, 02:10 PM

Let me rephrase it; With Faster than Light travel the distance must take 25-40 Frost Years.

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**Belschaft** · 03-19-2016, 03:57 PM

I don't have any problem with your civilisation being extra-galactic in origin, but only if they're cut of from the "home" galaxy. You could be a long lost colonisation mission, refugees, a migratory species, etc. But if you have access to the technological and resource base of the "parent" civilisation, you'll be completely unbalanced.

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rhinotaz · 03-19-2016, 04:11 PM

My sentiments exactly.

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Imperial Frost Federation · 03-19-2016, 04:43 PM

(03-19-2016, 03:57 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I don't have any problem with your civilisation being extra-galactic in origin, but only if they're cut of from the "home" galaxy. You could be a long lost colonisation mission, refugees, a migratory species, etc. But if you have access to the technological and resource base of the "parent" civilisation, you'll be completely unbalanced.

Then there really isn't an issue then.
The colonies will send resources using robots & A.I. To help sustain the "parent" civilization, but the colonies themselves won't have access to the resource base of the "parent" civilization..

The colonies will also have to have to fend for themselves, even in times of war because of the sheer distance between galaxies. If the colonies go to war with another civilization, help won't arrive for hundreds of human years, and by then it may already be too late. So they are essentially cut off.

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**Belschaft** · 03-19-2016, 04:46 PM

I don't think "essentially" cut off is enough; I'd prefer "literally" - as in they went out from the home galaxy knowing that they probably would never hear from it again.

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