(01-06-2016, 05:35 PM)Tsunamy Wrote:

(01-05-2016, 11:03 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: It's not "against" anything. It's how constitutional conventions work. The purpose is to start anew, otherwise you should just amend. I we hold a convention and have the same old Charter and laws to fall back on, all that's going to happen is people like you (and don't take that offensively) -- moderates, I guess -- setting the terms as all we need to do is "tweak" the Charter. And suddenly an event where we're supposed to think outside of the box becomes limited by existing conventions and traditions. A constitutional convention simply becomes a plain old omnibus amendment. That's exactly what happened with the last GC.

It's flat out again the current set of laws. You don't get to throw them out because you feel it. Period. End of story. I'm not going to going around with you about this. If we can't think outside the box while we have a stable government, we're certainly not going to do it without one.

Again, you're squandering the consensus we have right now by insisting that everything needs to go your way to radical change. We've tried having a contentious space here and people didn't like. Or are we conveniently ignoring that? So let's make this system work.

I think Serres has some good ideas and some housecleaning would do wonders. But there's no reason we can't use the current consensus to make our current system more workable.

Finally, I'll throw out that I think it the job of all elected officials to foster new growth from newcomers. That's not "riding on someone's coat tails" but allowing them to reimagine the region for themselves. This is why we have a stable set of laws and why we have a stable government — so we have a moving system that people can move into new positions.

there fixed. A warning to all those who don't want to hear it! Another opinion that belongs solely to me will soon be posted on this thread! But first I must socialize with humans! Away!!