(04-16-2017, 12:55 PM)Omega Wrote: First off, this would be used to overturn a single ruling made by the Chair.  Everyone makes mistakes and this provides a way for us to fix a mistake before it becomes a big deal. For example, if a Chair made a ruling saying an item should not be in the Charter and can instead be a general law, and there was a legitimate case against the Chair's ruling, there should be a way for the majority to overturn. However, I don't think anyone would want a recall over a single bad ruling.
Second off, we can't just recall the Chair for making bad rulings. We can only recall people for dereliction of duty, abuse of authority, or violations of the law and making a bad ruling is unlikely to come under any of these because in order for the Chair to rule on anything they must have the power vested in them. Unless they were abusing the position on multiple occasions I doubt most of us would vote in favor of a recall.

Why stop at the chair? Why not extend this to all other offices then? I can see this totally working for the MoRA. Listen to this:

This would be used to overturn a single decision made by the MoRA.  Everyone makes mistakes and this provides a way for us to fix a mistake before it becomes a big deal. For example, if the MoRA decided that the SJ should be published next week monday instead of next week tuesday, and there is a legitimate case against publishing it on monday, there should be a way for the majority to overturn. However, I don't think anyone would want a recall over a single bad ruling.

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Obviously, that was sarcasm, and intended to show why this is stupid . Of course you won't recall somebody for a single mistake (unless it's huge), but rather it's a cumulative thing. A mental points system, I suppose - and it's a good thing that there's a certain barrier to a recall, because otherwise we'd have recalls flying all over the place for even the most minor of things, and at the end of the day nothing would get done because you're perpetually busy fighting recalls (hmm, I just had an interesting idea for a UCR....). With the proposed mechanisms, you're basically introducing the chaos of low recall barriers without actually recalling anybody. I'm sure it'd bring some activity to the region, but surely not sustainable activity 

Having said that - I'm sure there are ways to sensibly put certain checks in, while not sacrificing the chair's discretionary powers that help guide things along in a reasonable way. A fine pen, marking the edges, if you will - rather than broad strokes with the paint roller. I can't think of any right now (or at least not any that are fully thought through) but I'll post if I do.