(04-21-2018, 12:16 PM)Escade Wrote: I mean we keep circling around this issue but if you look at the TSP Embassy over the past few years its as Tim described a salt catcher. We can't post about a damn festival without our enemies trying to derail it into a salt show.  The constant barrage of attacks are unabated and if you counter attack, then the attackers cry.

It's very simple to me, we don't need to always address each attacker but also can't ignore them all because that's the voice that gets read then. 

I think we all agree on this point.

(04-21-2018, 12:16 PM)Escade Wrote: I do agree about cabinet solidarity but I don't think Somy, with his "alternate" facts is going to be defending TSP from attacks so there's that.     I've already tried to explain about the whole you discuss with your team in private but that hasn't worked and I don't think we're on the same team.  Players who are on the same team usually coordinate, like Euro coordinated that attack in the embassy thread. 

You don't like Somy. Somy doesn't like you. Whatever. I really don't care. What I expect is that you two work together. That means I expect you to not throw BS accusations his way whenever convenient (and I saw what you wrote before your edit), and I expect him to not throw you under the bus whenever convenient.

We are on a team - The Cabinet, together, Team TSP. Is it too much to demand that you start acting like it?

(04-21-2018, 12:16 PM)Escade Wrote: As for Europeia, the problem isn't the arguments as much as their side is vocal and coordinated and ours is not.  Sopo was involved with the attempted coup of TSP.  WritingLegend ended relations with TSP and attempted to use the Lazarus\Balder sphere rumors about Roavin until forced to provide proof and then went a different route. HEM is allowed as a former and inactive citizen of a region to criticize but can't deal with the criticism of his own region. 

HEM wasn't bothered by the criticism, he was bothered by the decorum - basically, what this thread is about. We have more than enough reasons to hate on Balder and (to a much lesser degree) Euro, and nobody is saying we shouldn't. But there's a difference between making decently-articulated points about our issues, which every single one of us is capable of, versus the insane stream-of-consciousness rants and/or weaponized salt mine barrages.

I am bothered by the decorum. I've been bothered since last year, even. I've gotten increasingly bothered in the past week. August writing to me was the straw that finally broke the camel's back (and honestly, I should have done this a LONG time ago).

(04-21-2018, 12:16 PM)Escade Wrote: Which audience then are you attempting to reach? Which faction is willing to side with us or willing to stand up for us?

You answered this yourself in your first paragraph.

(04-21-2018, 12:16 PM)Escade Wrote: There is as Cormac said one dominant side and the rest of the undercats and cats don't really get herded together. If you can make it happen though, Roavin I would be willing to try.  On the other hand, I do not forget the people who've wronged my region in one way or the other ever.

Yeah and I also am bothered whenever I see Souls post but with one exception I keep it bottled up and filtered appropriately.

(04-21-2018, 12:16 PM)Escade Wrote: Finally, many of the issues being brought up aren't brought up when the other side engages in that type of rhetoric. I don't see Solorni censored for it but rather rewarded, so it's all perspective. Quite possibly what might be key here is becoming more like that.

Solorni is a baiting troll who gets away with it for reasons I don't want to elaborate on here. She shouldn't be taken as the measure of things.

And no. We should not be more like Solorni. I don't even want that thought considered for even a second.