(06-21-2019, 07:54 AM)The Solar System Scope Wrote:

(06-19-2019, 05:09 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: There are no "big defender regions" to be pawns of...

And I really don't think it's necessary or even a good idea to create a "defender manifesto," as that is actually what will make it into a "good vs evil" debate. Defending is just defending against raids and liberating occupations. That's it. TSP defends because it flows from our democratic values, and we already have a very good idea of what our democratic values are. Those aren't separate from what we would do as a defender region-- they're what would make us a defender region in the first place.

It's as if you're refraining from using the quote button...

Anyway, ideas and values alone are not enough. Sometimes, there are grey areas, such as a dictatorial, fascist region becoming raided by pro-democracy militia. Should we defend these regions? Where does the line end? Therefore, clear and unambiguous guidelines as to what should be defended and what should not is crucial for us not to lose our goal. 

Just to pile on with what W&S already said... You're missing the entire point of "TSP is defender because of our pro-democracy values" if you think it's a genuine question whether or not TSP would defend a fascist/Nazi region. Ideas and values are actually pretty much enough. Some of these scenarios being brought up are only being imagined because you're not applying those ideas and values, and you would answer your own question if you would...

Anyways, at the end of the day, nobody is going to type out an exhaustive SOP of every single scenario we will ever face as defenders, and how to respond to each and every one. Nobody does that. It's not a reasonable ask, and we would never ask that about TSP being a democracy either. We know how values, we know what defending is (at least, you ought to know, and it's not really complicated!)... TSP being defender is not really as foreign as some of you guys are making it out to be.