(04-28-2020, 05:28 PM)Omega Wrote:

(04-28-2020, 05:10 PM)Jay Coop Wrote: So, I'm drawing the line in the sand: if we can't draft a proposal that wins the support of several senior officials within MoRA, I'm not gonna support whatever proposal goes to vote.

With all due respect, time and time again the majority of the leadership in the Ministry of Regional Affairs have said they would be opposed to any kind of a split, and have reaffirmed that they are not going to change that belief. This is a line in the sand you know can't be met and are just using it to shield yourself from criticism for a proposal you were one of the biggest advocates of. If this senior leadership is so concerned they should voice their opinions publicly as opposed to simply having their Minister do it for them. If they are afraid to share their opinions with their constituents, perhaps they need to reconsider their opinions or have some trust that their constituents want to hear from them. I for one would be very interested to hear from the MoRA leadership as opposed to them hiding from the Assembly in private discord chats.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why leadership would not want to reduce their own realm of authority. That is a human response after all. But I don't feel inclined to reach out to a Ministry who just blames its problems on inactivity and the fact fellows aren't as strong as they used to be. Perhaps if the Ministry had seriously looked at top-down reorganization, I would have felt like maybe I would find sympathetic voices in the Ministry leadership.

If someone can answer this question in an honest way I will be amazed: why should I have reached out to the leadership of a Ministry that every juncture has seemed to be revolted by the fact anyone would dare suggest a split could potentially do some good? Nothing would have come out that conversation that would have been substantive. You are being disingenuous to claim otherwise.

I am not opposed to any individual in the MoRA. I want to give them a Ministry in which they can succeed, and I think we have seen time and time again that the current system is not working.

Heyo, I'm going to just really quickly interject here, to my knowledge, some senior members of MoRA (Deputy ministers+senior fellows) HAVE actually stated what they felt individually about this debate.

A second little thing, I really would appreciate it if we don't start attacking the person (I am referring to "This is a line in the sand you know can't be met and are just using it to shield yourself from criticism for a proposal you were one of the biggest advocates of." here)

I don't include myself in the debate because I wish to remain as neutral as possible, but I do feel like this needs to be said.

A side note, it does seem like this has become a little more heated than necessary.