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[Debate] Splitting RA Round 2
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I read your entire post, so please don't think I'm being dismissive of the latter half, it's just that the responses to the latter half would just refer to the responses to the first half:

(04-29-2020, 12:26 AM)rosaferri Wrote: I can assure you that we at the ministry don't perceive this as particularly the Assembly as a whole making this effort. We've made it extremely clear among ourselves that we don't believe that the entire ministry, rather, the adamant and oftentimes disrespectfully vehement push to work behind us by proposals are the ones in primary opposition by us.

Okay but how is it working behind you when this is all out in the open right here in the very place that is designed for open debate and discussion? This is the issue that people are seeing (and I'm starting to get concerned too since you all are doubling down on this): it looks like MoRA is demanding that they be treated differently than anything else that gets debated in the open in these very halls.

(04-29-2020, 12:26 AM)rosaferri Wrote: If you believe we're trying to self-reinforce that "all others can't possibly make decisions for us, only we can", then that's an unfortunately incorrect extrapolation from what we've been trying to express. 

Well, you can't, but you are ostensibly demanding different treatment than anything else in this region by not wanting open assembly debate.

(04-29-2020, 12:26 AM)rosaferri Wrote: I believe if there was an effort to work with MoRA from the beginning on a split with an agreed proposal from both active and past members, and even those unaffiliated, it would have gone over far, far better and we wouldn't be having the issues as it stands.

See above.

(04-29-2020, 12:26 AM)rosaferri Wrote: If we don't understand what would directly become a benefit and what would be a detriment of a split, then the debate will of course stop dead in its tracks. 

Okay, but this was also hashed out many times last time, with reasonable points being raised by both sides of this issue. And that too was out in the open, here in the assembly.
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[Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-22-2020, 05:45 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Farengeto - 04-22-2020, 05:58 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-22-2020, 06:57 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-22-2020, 07:09 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-22-2020, 07:14 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-22-2020, 07:18 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-22-2020, 07:28 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Griffindor - 04-22-2020, 11:17 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Aga - 04-23-2020, 08:47 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 04-23-2020, 09:04 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 04-23-2020, 09:07 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 04-23-2020, 10:25 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 04-23-2020, 10:39 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 04-23-2020, 10:41 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 04-23-2020, 11:06 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 04-23-2020, 11:13 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 04-23-2020, 11:25 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 04-23-2020, 11:45 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Tsunamy - 04-23-2020, 12:01 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-23-2020, 12:25 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 04-23-2020, 06:58 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Griffindor - 04-24-2020, 12:49 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Farengeto - 04-26-2020, 12:50 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by rosaferri - 04-24-2020, 06:01 AM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-24-2020, 05:27 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-24-2020, 11:51 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-25-2020, 10:54 AM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-26-2020, 02:22 AM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Griffindor - 04-27-2020, 06:56 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-27-2020, 06:56 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 04-27-2020, 11:28 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Griffindor - 04-27-2020, 11:26 PM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 04-28-2020, 05:56 PM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 06:10 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by rosaferri - 04-28-2020, 06:22 PM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 06:21 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 06:30 PM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 06:38 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-28-2020, 06:51 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 04-28-2020, 07:05 PM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 04-28-2020, 07:30 PM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 06:47 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 06:56 PM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by rosaferri - 04-29-2020, 12:26 AM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-29-2020, 01:17 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by rosaferri - 04-29-2020, 05:54 AM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Aga - 04-29-2020, 04:00 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Tsunamy - 04-29-2020, 04:26 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 04-29-2020, 04:57 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 04-29-2020, 07:51 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-01-2020, 06:06 AM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 05-01-2020, 02:48 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-01-2020, 02:50 PM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by rosaferri - 05-01-2020, 07:06 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-01-2020, 08:20 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-02-2020, 03:21 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 05-02-2020, 04:06 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-02-2020, 04:20 AM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-02-2020, 04:30 AM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-09-2020, 08:58 PM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Aga - 05-10-2020, 07:13 AM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-10-2020, 07:58 AM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-10-2020, 01:40 PM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-10-2020, 05:27 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jebediah - 05-10-2020, 06:26 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 05-10-2020, 07:29 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-10-2020, 08:10 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 05-10-2020, 08:21 PM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-10-2020, 09:14 PM
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RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-10-2020, 09:35 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 05-11-2020, 03:46 AM
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