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[Debate] Splitting RA Round 2
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I will say something about the latest proposal:

One of the biggest things stopping the MoRA from basically being dead is the fact that each part of the ministry can easily ask help from other areas. There are plenty of people who have multiple small jobs in the ministry - or do one thing and help/give feedback/contribute a little in the others - or some other combination. And frankly, that is a great thing to have. It helps smaller, more specialised parts of the ministry that don't get as much attention to get contributions from the wider MoRA community, and it helps those who do have a specialised job in a specialised part of the ministry to show their work to the others working in the ministry.

While splitting the ministry in two may help make the ministers job easier, splitting the ministry into 4 (roleplay, education, media and graphics) would fragment the ministry to the point where we have the worst proposal of all - exactly where we started (with a single ministry with 3 to 4 semi-independent sections) without a leader or enough people to help support the activity in each one.

Remember, these "departments" are tiny and inactive. Graphics design literally has one staff member (Somy who also works in education) plus some others who occasionally pitch in with the simpler works. Many of the other bits and pieces have little activity, too (Though somy is pretty active and also great at his job)

Two ministries - Regional Affairs and Educational Affairs - would mean two leaders which are more accountable while not fragmenting the ministry too much. It would also have the benefit of giving each ministry one (or two) of the more active parts of the MoRA, letting the other part "borrow" some of the expertise.

PS: The logical continuation of this from this would be to not have the split at all, but rather streamline the current system. I will point out that the current system (which has a minister, deputy ministers and then senior fellows) was actually simpler before the original discussion we had on this. Back then, it was just a minister, the advisory council (which is still here), and the senior fellows. The deputy ministers ostensibly a direct response to the original discussion we had on this.

PPS: I know people can't see the parts of the ministry they don't work in. I think that system should go, actually, and everything should be open to all the fellows. When I say "visible to other people" I mean visible to mostly the management staff that overlook the departments, and the people who do have the role simply to see what's going on. And that wouldn't be there in the proposed system. And allowing visitors to look at the work doesn't work nearly as well, as they by their very nature are visitors: they're not coming here on a regular basis, they're not working in the office next door, they're just coming to see what's here and probably won't talk much.
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[Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-22-2020, 05:45 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Farengeto - 04-22-2020, 05:58 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-22-2020, 06:57 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-22-2020, 07:09 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-22-2020, 07:14 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-22-2020, 07:18 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-22-2020, 07:28 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Griffindor - 04-22-2020, 11:17 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Aga - 04-23-2020, 08:47 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 04-23-2020, 09:04 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 04-23-2020, 09:07 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 04-23-2020, 10:25 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 04-23-2020, 10:39 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 04-23-2020, 10:41 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 04-23-2020, 11:06 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 04-23-2020, 11:13 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 04-23-2020, 11:25 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 04-23-2020, 11:45 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Tsunamy - 04-23-2020, 12:01 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-23-2020, 12:25 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 04-23-2020, 06:58 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Griffindor - 04-24-2020, 12:49 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Farengeto - 04-26-2020, 12:50 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by rosaferri - 04-24-2020, 06:01 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 04-24-2020, 10:22 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-24-2020, 05:27 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-24-2020, 11:51 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-25-2020, 10:54 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Penguin - 04-25-2020, 01:14 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 04-25-2020, 11:07 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-25-2020, 03:53 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 04-25-2020, 07:17 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 04-25-2020, 08:21 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-26-2020, 02:22 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Penguin - 04-27-2020, 11:35 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-27-2020, 12:02 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 04-27-2020, 12:08 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-27-2020, 12:19 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Tsunamy - 04-27-2020, 12:23 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Tsunamy - 04-27-2020, 12:25 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Aga - 04-27-2020, 01:05 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Aga - 04-27-2020, 02:55 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-27-2020, 03:16 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-27-2020, 05:27 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 04-27-2020, 05:48 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Griffindor - 04-27-2020, 06:56 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-27-2020, 06:56 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 04-27-2020, 11:28 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Griffindor - 04-27-2020, 11:26 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-28-2020, 04:06 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Tsunamy - 04-28-2020, 04:33 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-28-2020, 05:10 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 04-28-2020, 04:44 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 04-28-2020, 05:15 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 05:28 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 05:34 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 04-28-2020, 05:56 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by rosaferri - 04-28-2020, 06:07 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 04-28-2020, 06:12 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 06:10 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by rosaferri - 04-28-2020, 06:22 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Penguin - 04-28-2020, 06:19 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 06:21 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 06:30 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-28-2020, 06:35 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 06:38 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-28-2020, 06:51 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 04-28-2020, 07:05 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 04-28-2020, 07:20 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 04-28-2020, 07:30 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 04-28-2020, 06:46 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 06:47 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 06:56 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 04-28-2020, 06:58 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 07:01 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 04-28-2020, 07:10 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 04-28-2020, 07:19 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 07:20 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-28-2020, 07:27 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by rosaferri - 04-29-2020, 12:26 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 04-29-2020, 02:48 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 04-29-2020, 01:17 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by rosaferri - 04-29-2020, 05:54 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Tsunamy - 04-29-2020, 09:30 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Aga - 04-29-2020, 04:00 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Tsunamy - 04-29-2020, 04:26 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 04-29-2020, 04:57 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 04-29-2020, 07:51 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-01-2020, 06:06 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 05-01-2020, 02:00 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-01-2020, 02:29 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 05-01-2020, 02:48 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-01-2020, 02:50 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-01-2020, 04:41 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by rosaferri - 05-01-2020, 07:06 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-01-2020, 08:20 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-02-2020, 03:21 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 05-02-2020, 04:06 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-02-2020, 04:20 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 05-02-2020, 04:25 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-02-2020, 04:30 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-02-2020, 04:44 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-02-2020, 05:12 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-02-2020, 10:39 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-02-2020, 10:45 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Qwert - 05-02-2020, 08:46 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-02-2020, 12:23 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 05-02-2020, 12:36 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-02-2020, 08:57 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-02-2020, 10:49 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-02-2020, 12:26 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Tsunamy - 05-02-2020, 12:36 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-02-2020, 12:51 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-02-2020, 12:53 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Qwert - 05-02-2020, 12:58 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-02-2020, 12:59 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 05-02-2020, 01:01 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-02-2020, 01:16 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-02-2020, 01:49 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-02-2020, 01:53 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Tsunamy - 05-02-2020, 02:47 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-04-2020, 04:19 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-06-2020, 03:45 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Aga - 05-06-2020, 07:21 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-06-2020, 07:40 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-06-2020, 07:58 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-07-2020, 12:07 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 05-07-2020, 12:35 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-07-2020, 01:09 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-07-2020, 05:44 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 05-07-2020, 08:54 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 05-08-2020, 01:36 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Penguin - 05-07-2020, 08:56 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 05-07-2020, 09:17 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Nakari - 05-07-2020, 10:47 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Tsunamy - 05-08-2020, 11:25 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-07-2020, 10:51 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Nakari - 05-07-2020, 10:54 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-07-2020, 10:58 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-07-2020, 11:35 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 05-08-2020, 03:27 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-08-2020, 05:17 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 05-08-2020, 05:37 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 05-08-2020, 08:23 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-08-2020, 10:35 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-08-2020, 01:51 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-08-2020, 01:54 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 05-08-2020, 07:31 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-08-2020, 03:00 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 05-09-2020, 12:44 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 05-09-2020, 02:52 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-09-2020, 02:09 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-09-2020, 01:05 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-09-2020, 02:45 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jay Coop - 05-09-2020, 08:45 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-09-2020, 08:58 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 05-09-2020, 09:09 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-09-2020, 11:49 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-10-2020, 12:22 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by USoVietnam - 05-10-2020, 03:20 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-10-2020, 03:21 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Aga - 05-10-2020, 04:49 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-10-2020, 06:25 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Aga - 05-10-2020, 07:13 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-10-2020, 07:20 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-10-2020, 07:58 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Nakari - 05-10-2020, 09:19 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Aga - 05-10-2020, 09:23 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Nakari - 05-10-2020, 09:57 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-10-2020, 10:03 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Nakari - 05-10-2020, 10:08 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-10-2020, 10:34 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Nakari - 05-10-2020, 10:40 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-10-2020, 10:52 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-10-2020, 11:53 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-10-2020, 01:37 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-10-2020, 01:40 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 05-10-2020, 03:09 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jebediah - 05-10-2020, 03:20 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-10-2020, 03:41 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jebediah - 05-10-2020, 04:25 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Omega - 05-10-2020, 05:27 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jebediah - 05-10-2020, 06:26 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 05-10-2020, 07:29 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-10-2020, 08:10 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 05-10-2020, 08:21 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jebediah - 05-10-2020, 08:26 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 05-10-2020, 08:30 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-10-2020, 08:32 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-10-2020, 09:14 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 05-10-2020, 09:21 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-10-2020, 09:35 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 05-11-2020, 03:46 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-11-2020, 05:15 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jebediah - 05-11-2020, 06:29 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-11-2020, 07:30 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jebediah - 05-11-2020, 09:56 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Amerion - 05-11-2020, 10:59 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 05-11-2020, 11:18 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jebediah - 05-11-2020, 09:56 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-11-2020, 11:31 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jebediah - 05-11-2020, 11:41 AM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Seraph - 05-11-2020, 12:08 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Jebediah - 05-11-2020, 01:31 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Rabbitz - 05-11-2020, 06:31 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Somyrion - 05-11-2020, 08:34 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 05-11-2020, 09:12 PM
RE: [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 - by Roavin - 05-11-2020, 09:50 PM



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