[2209.HR] In-game consent for A2205.05 Amendment to Article XIV |
The discussion below was held via private message on 03 July 2022 (times are in UTC-5).
Kringle — Today at 14:49 We should have a discussion. This would, of course, be covered by the Sunshine Act, but I can't do it properly via the forum. Griffindor — Today at 14:50 A discussion? Kringle — Today at 14:56 I can't figure out how to rule on 2209.HR. Griffindor — Today at 16:20 Ah Well, what is your initial opinion We need to reissue the injunction too It seems like you are of the idea that this vote doesn’t affect the game side, so as a result, the chairs ruling should stand Kringle — Today at 17:29 There is a difference between having an initial idea and having a well-supported idea. Initially I leaned towards deferring to the Chair. I still do, but at the same time I can't justify it to the extent that it overrules the arguments to the contrary, and I don't want to issue a ruling based simply on "first I decided, then I found arguments to support that decision". I believe that the Charter does support the idea that (1) the Chair is entrusted with the determination, and (2) gameside deserves a vote when the subject matter directly deals with their governance. I just am not sure the extent to which the Court could or should involve itself in deciding what qualifies as directly beyond voiding determinations that are plainly unreasonable. Of course, that in itself could be a decision: deferring to the Chair if there is a rational basis to their determination, even if there are also rational arguments to the contrary. I don't know what you think. Of course, that in itself could be a decision: deferring to the Chair if there is a rational basis to their determination, even if there are also rational arguments to the contrary. Griffindor — Today at 18:09 I think the crux of the opinion is right there Summarize what led to this opinion, why you think it is/isn’t a valid and rationale opinion Set up a test to check the validity of future decisions of the chair to reduce the likelihood of similar cases in the figure And lastly, inform the region of the suggested next steps and if a gc is to proceed and when following the opinion Kringle — Today at 18:49 Alright. I'll see about posting a draft tonight for your review. Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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@Griffindor, any thoughts on this?
The High Court has been asked to assess the legality of a determination made by the Chair of the Assembly to not refer A2205.05 Amendment to Article XIV to the consideration of the gameside community (hereafter the determination). In order to conduct this assessment the Court will first consider the legal basis for the determination and the main legal and juridical implications at hand; the Court will then propose a legal test to which the determination can be subjected.
The determination was made on the basis of Article I, Section 4 and Article XIII, Section 2 of the Charter, both which say that any constitutional law that "directly affects the gameside community or its home governance, as determined by the Chair of the Assembly, must also receive the consent of the gameside community". It is clear from this that the primary official tasked with deciding when bills qualify for consultation to the gameside community is the Chair of the Assembly, who must determine if said bills have a direct effect over the gameside community or its home governance. It is also clear from this that there is no set list of conditions that must be met for this determination; the Chair is given wide latitude to decide based on what is presumably their expertise and use of good faith. There are, of course, some clues that can be gleaned from a superficial review of the debate that led to the adoption of these provisions. Sandaoguo, one of the main drafters at the 2016 Great Council, said the following at the time regarding the idea that the gameside community should have a vote on the passage of legislation: The approach should be functional. What actually affects the game side experience? What kinds of effects are enough to trigger an in game vote? It's one thing to vote on a law because it changes how the LC works, and another to vote on a treaty because it means the Embassies list will be altered.
The above provides greater clarity of the standard to which the Chair could hold themselves when making a determination, but it does not necessarily offer greater clarity on what standard the Court should adopt when reviewing such determinations, or even what role the Court should have in reviewing them. It is true that the Court has the power to void the acts of government officials that violate the Charter, but that requires a clear basis for assessment. In the absence of further guidance, the Court must establish a test that avoids unnecessary disruptions and preserves, within reason, the predictability of regional governance. Therefore, the determination of the Chair on the matter of referring legislation to the gameside community must be such that it meets all three conditions below:
Having now a test to which the determination regarding A2205.05 Amendment to Article XIV can be subjected, the Court can proceed with the issue that prompted this case by considering the three steps to the test:
Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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I think that draft is comprehensive and well written. The three tests that you include are logical and follow one another. I noticed one typo, in the second sentence of the second to the last paragraph, you said "tese" instead of These".
Perhaps incorporating what should happen with the existing injunction, ordering the Chair of the GC to convene the GC in haste, or declaring the process, though long and winding to have legally triggered a GC under existing laws. I chuckle at Glen's argument on the RMB voting on treaties because of embassy openings/closings, because the RMB does hold a poll to determine if an embassy should be opened (at least I've noticed it in the past). Overall, I would say that this is a good opinion, especially considering the writer's block I know you had. -Griffindor/Ebonhand
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I've made some changes and put everything in the post format. Any thoughts?
HIGH COURT OF THE SOUTH PACIFIC
[2209.HR] IN-GAME CONSENT FOR A2205.05 AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE XIV SUBMISSION 02 JUN 2022 | JUSTICIABILITY 05 JUN 2022 | OPINION 04 JUL 2022 APPEAL Does the action of the Chair to not refer A2205.05 Amendment to Article XIV to the in-game region for consent violate the rights protected by Article Three, Clause Five of the Charter? SUMMARY OF THE OPINION It is the opinion of the Court that the Chair's determination on the matter of A2205.05 Amendment to Article XIV - Great Councils is lawful and should be upheld. Consequently, the amendment has the full force of law and all actions taken pursuant to it, in particular A2205.06 Great Council Convening Resolution of 2022, are also deemed lawful. The Chair of the Great Council is instructed to take all appropriate actions as required of them by said resolution. CHIEF JUSTICE KRINGLE DELIVERED THE OPINION, SIGNED ALSO BY JUSTICE GRIFFINDOR. A2205.05 Amendment to Article XIV - Great Councils amended the Charter to, among other provisions, remove the requirement that the gameside community be consulted on the convening of Great Councils. Given that Article III, Section 5 of the Charter says that the no law may be passed that ""directly affects the activities of the in-game community without the consent of the in-game community""1, the High Court has been asked to assess the legality of a determination made by Chair of the Assembly The Haughtherlands (hereafter the Chair) not to refer the said amendment to the gameside community for their consideration. In order to conduct this assessment the Court will first consider the legal basis for the determination and the main legal and juridical implications at hand, this with the objective of proposing a legal test to which the determination can be subjected. The determination was made on the basis of Article I, Section 4 and Article XIII, Section 2 of the Charter, both which say that any constitutional law that ""directly affects the gameside community or its home governance, as determined by the Chair of the Assembly, must also receive the consent of the gameside community""2. It is clear from this that the primary official tasked with deciding when legislation requires gameside consultation is the Chair. It is also apparent from this that the Chair is given wide latitude to decide as they deem most fit; this decision could be based on their expertise and good faith, on consultations with the Local Council, or a different method that the Chair might deem convenient to help them reach their decision. There are, of course, contextual clues that can help one understand the reasoning behind this provision. Sandaoguo, one of the primary drafters at the 2016 Great Council, said the following regarding the possibility of giving the gameside community a vote on the passage of legislation: The approach should be functional. What actually affects the game side experience? What kinds of effects are enough to trigger an in game vote? It's one thing to vote on a law because it changes how the LC works, and another to vote on a treaty because it means the Embassies list will be altered.3
The above provides a certain added degree of clarity to the standard to which the Chair could hold themselves when making a determination but it does not necessarily offer greater clarity on the various nuances that they would face in cases such as the present one, nor does it provide guidance on what level of involvement or standard of review the Court should have in such cases. The Court has the power to void the acts of government institutions and officials when they violate the Charter and constitutional law, but this requires a clear basis for review that is lacking in this case. In the absence of further guidance the Court must establish a test that allows it to adequately review the matter while also ensuring that any decisions are not needlessly disruptive and instead preserve the predictability of regional governance. To that extent, the Court deems it convenient to consider three conditions for the review of government decisions, assuming an absence of further guidance:
Having now a legal test, the Court turns to the Chair's determination on the matter of A2205.05 Amendment to Article XIV - Great Councils by evaluating each of the three conditions:
It is so ordered.
FOOTNOTES AND REFERENCES [1] Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific; Article III, Section 5 (2022). The MATT-DUCK Law Archive. [2] Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific; Article I, Section 4, and Article XIII, Section 2 (2022). The MATT-DUCK Law Archive. [3] Sandaoguo (2016). Broad solutions to in-game inclusion. Retrieved from https://tspforums.xyz/thread-3958-post-1...#pid122822 [4] The Haughtherlands (2022). RE: [2209.HR] In-game consent for A2205.05 Amendment to Article XIV. Retrieved from https://tspforums.xyz/thread-10502-post-...#pid232095 [5] The Haughtherlands (2022). RE: [2209.HR] In-game consent for A2205.05 Amendment to Article XIV. Retrieved from https://tspforums.xyz/thread-10502-post-...#pid232095 [6] Belschaft (2022). RE: [2209.HR] In-game consent for A2205.05 Amendment to Article XIV. Retrieved from https://tspforums.xyz/thread-10502-post-...#pid232409 2209.HR.O | Issued 04 Jul 2022 Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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The changes that were made and the formatting look good. I hereby sign off on the opinion if you are satisfied with it.
When do you plan on releasing the opinion? Do you think that a sooner release could possibly impact the administration of the current elections for Delegate and Local Council? -Griffindor/Ebonhand
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I was thinking of doing it tonight. I don't think there would be much impact on the elections. Even if the Great Council were to start tonight, as per the convening resolution a significant amount of the initial time would be devoted to making rules and admitting participants.
Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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Well then, shoot your shot, and let's get this show on the road!
-Griffindor/Ebonhand
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