We've moved, ! Update your bookmarks to https://thesouthpacific.org! These forums are being archived.

Dismiss this notice
See LegComm's announcement to make sure you're still a legislator on the new forums!

The Chair of The Assembly [Compiled Laws, Issues, Suggestions]
#21

(08-20-2022, 12:11 PM)A bee Wrote: -If there weren't issues, this thread wouldn't exist. This thread exists which points out issues. Just because the incumbent office maneuvers around issues efficiently, does not mean they do not exist.

I don’t know if I agree with that view. You started this thread so obviously you think the amendments have merit, but I don’t think you have actually explained what issues you have identified or why they are relevant. I know you uploaded a document, but highlighting sections of the law and describing them as “potentially catastrophic” doesn’t really explain why you think so or why your proposed amendment is better.
Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator.
I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum.

Legal Resources:
THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System
[-] The following 1 user Likes Kris Kringle's post:
  • HumanSanity
#22

Yes I've noticed an additional download very high participation and insightful feedback - I've been convinced that these opinions are of complete unaffiliated background; that I am now glad to inform you of my absence emitting 4-5 days from now!
Perhaps one could argue that a proposal can be written in 5 days as was even documented or upon returning. However, I've been presented with staunching opposition from The conservative status quo Committee that clearly I do not believe in my own proposal anymore. Conceptually, it is possible to imagine that I must not have ever been indulged in it...at least comparatively.
#23

Jk, here's the entire proposal:


"Proposals related to the Chair of the Assembly"

IV. THE ASSEMBLY

Establishing legislative authority in the Assembly.

(1) The Assembly holds supreme legislative authority in the Coalition, and is comprised of all eligible legislators.

(2) The Assembly will elect a legislator as Chair for a term lasting four months. six months. The Chair is responsible for maintaining order and decorum, and helping guide Assembly debate into the creation of bills. If a Chair is recalled, loses legislator status, or is otherwise not in office, a new Chair will be elected for a new term lasting four months. lasting six months. The date, time, and manner of electing the Chair will be set by the Assembly in a law.

(3) The Chair may appoint a deputy or deputies, to whom the Chair may publicly delegate any powers, responsibilities, or special projects of the Chair, subject to all regulations and restrictions imposed upon the Chair by law. The Chair may dismiss such deputies.

Legislator Eligibility

(4) A standing commission of legislators will be tasked with granting and revoking legislator status. All residents of the Coalition are eligible to attain legislator status through an application. Continued legislator status requires active membership and good behaviour compliance with the Legislature Committee Act. The Chair is granted discretion in imposing ’warnings’ to legislators who fail to meet those requirements.

XIII. AMENDMENT PROCESS

Setting a procedure for amendment of the Charter and constitutional laws.

(1) The Assembly may amend any provision of the Charter or constitutional laws passed by the Assembly with a three-fifths supermajority. These amendments must be constitutional in nature, and amendments to the Charter must address the structure or framework of government. Bills that may exist or address existing general laws, as determined by the Chair of the Assembly, should not be placed in the Charter or constitutional laws.

(2) Any amendment to the Charter, general law or constitutional laws that directly affects any specific office which is not The Assembly, as determined by the Chair of the Assembly, must also receive the consent of the gameside community before coming into force, where the consent shall not require more than a three-fifths supermajority in a vote. Additionally, the Local Council may originate amendments to its structure in the Charter, which must receive the consent of the Assembly before coming into force must also require a three-fifths supermajority to be enacted.

(3) The Local Council will determine the qualifications and processes for amendments to its own constitutional laws.
(3) The Local Council is granted self-governance in which it may enact only rules of procedure related to itself. Otherwise, all laws of the Coalition are under its own jurisdiction.

5. Office of the Chair

(1) Eight Six days before the end of a Chair's term, the Assembly will convene to elect the Chair of the Assembly.
a. Any legislator wishing to run for Chair may declare their candidacy, and the Assembly will debate the merits of their platform.
b. The campaign and debate period will last 5 days,
b. The Campaign and debate period will last 3 days, after which the Assembly will vote for 3 days.
c. The sole winner, as decided using Approval Voting, will be declared Chair of the Assembly by the Election Commissioner.
e. The Convention for election is the same date as when the campaign and debate period begin. Meaning the entire process lasts six days and there is no transitional period.

(2) The term for the incoming Chair will begin immediately following the conclusion of the election.

6. Vacancies of Office

(...) In the event that more than one deputy was appointed, the most senior deputy according to the order of appointment and availability will serve as Acting Chair. In the event that no deputy was appointed or is available, the Cabinet will designate a legislator to serve as Acting Chair. The Delegate will, from the current roster of legislators, designate one of them to serve as Acting Chair through transparent demarchy (sortition).

3. Legislator Checks

(...)

(3) A legislator fails the voting requirement if they are absent for more than half of all votes finished in the previous calendar month, if a minimum of two votes occurred. Legislators who have an approved leave of absence from the Chair shall not be considered absent for votes in the given time frame. (See: Charter IV: (4))

(4) The Chair of the Assembly may order the Legislator Committee to using their own discretion, suspend legislator privileges for disruptive members. Frequent suspensions may be grounds for ineligibility, if found appropriate in a fair trial by the High Court. Ineligibility becomes grounds for Court trial only after it is enacted.

1. Legislative Rules

(1) Any legislator may propose a bill, resolution, or appointment, which will may be debated and refined collectively in the Assembly under the guidance of the Chair. using the technical guidance provided by The Chair.

(2) To be brought to a vote, a specific draft of a bill, resolution, or appointment must
a. receive a motion to vote by a legislator,
b. receive a second by another legislator,
b. be affirmed to be in proper formatting by the Chair.
d. have been at debate for a minimum period of time equivalent to the length of its voting period.

(3) General laws, amendments, resolutions, and appointments will remain at vote for three days. Constitutional laws, constitutional amendments, resolutions dealing with matters of constitutional law, and treaties will remain at vote for five days .
(3) Any Assembly Resolution or similar will be at vote for 3 days.

(4) General laws, amendments, resolutions, and treaties require a simple majority of those voting to pass. Appointments, unless otherwise specified, require a simple majority of those voting to pass. Constitutional laws, constitutional amendments, international treaties and resolutions dealing with matters of constitutional law require a three-fifths supermajority of those voting to pass.

(5) Should a debate lead to multiple competing bills or resolutions on the same matter, the Chair will separately and simultaneously bring the competing bills or resolutions to vote, in the same manner as regular business is done. The bill or resolution that receives the most votes in favor and meets minimum threshold requirements for passage will become law.

(6) Any bill, resolution or amendment which has been inactive for more than one month may be considered defunct and archived at the discretion of the Chair.

(7) Any legislator may motion to cancel voting and withdraw a bill that has been brought to a vote so revisions can be made. The Chair may cancel voting on the bill, provided that there is a reason deemed sufficient by the Chair and no objection is raised within 24 hours of the motion being made and seconded. Should the motion and seconding be made within the final 24 hours of voting, the legislation shall not pass or fail until the Chair makes a ruling on the motion.
(7) Any legislator may motion to cancel voting if issues such as ’typographical and grammatical errors’ described in the following Rule 2 (4) are noticed. The Chair may deem the motion ’to be of political nature’ (declined) or ’to be as it is’ (accepted). Declining the cancellation still requires that the non-essential typographical errors be fixed by The Chair after the voting concludes, regardless of the result.

(8) Should any bill, resolution or amendment fail to become law, any proposal which is judged by the Chair as being substantially similar to that failed legislation shall be prevented from going to vote for two weeks after the closure of the vote. The Chair may waive this restriction should a legislator motion for them to do so, provided that there is a reason deemed sufficient by the Chair and no objection is raised within 24 hours of the motion being made and seconded.
(8) Voter-rejected proposals or any essentially similar documents are temporarily prevented from being subjects of a voting motion for 30 days starting from The Chair’s official publication on voting results of the proposal.

(9) Should any bill, resolution or amendment become law, the document itself, its debate thread, and its voting thread and results shall all be archived.

2. Powers and Responsibilities of the Chair

(...)

(4) The Chair may correct typographical errors, grammatical errors, naming or formatting inconsistencies at any time, as long as these corrections do not alter the original intent of the law, following a three day period in which the corrections are presented to the Assembly for comments. Any such corrections must be recorded with the legislative history of each law. (Limited formal edits cannot somehow change the material essence of a document).

(5) The Chair may is to delay votes for a reasonable time frame if done for the purposes of vote scheduling or to avoid preemption of active debate by a vote. recognizing voting motions if it would obstruct an ongoing active debate.
#24

I motion to vote.
#25

I would encourage you to let people review and comment on this consolidated proposal.
Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator.
I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum.

Legal Resources:
THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System
#26

This has a lot in it. Think about it: maybe there is one clause addition or subtraction that kicks someone off so they vote against it, even if they support some of the other stuff. I haven't fully read this in-depth; which is something I should do, however, I will sooner rather than later and relay some feedback  Happywide
maluhia
minister of culture
ambassador to lazarus
roleplayer

 
 
#27

And now I just saw something that caught the corner of my eye. Three days of voting? Why are you opposed to five? Now, I may support a three day vote, however, it would be prone to LegComm revoking status of Legislators maybe because they didn't vote on time.
maluhia
minister of culture
ambassador to lazarus
roleplayer

 
 
#28

I see no issues fixed and many issues added. Why three days instead of five? Why no more seconding on vote motions? Why are you removing exceptions from several parts of the law? Why can the chair now edit the intent of the law and not need assembly approval to do so?
"After he realizes this newfound power of his to override the hopes and dreams of republicans, he puts all of the united provinces under his control."
one time minister of culture

[Image: rank_trainee.min.svg] [Image: updates_lifetime_1.min.svg] [Image: detags_lifetime_2.min.svg]
#29

Regardless of interactions, this motion to vote on this proposal will stand open.



Three day voting: 1) That in itself is generous given the amount of our legislators; 2) Because it takes a total of 10 days (5 day debate; 5 day vote) to amend a Constitutional law. This makes sense RL. Here, sometimes it should (and now can be) longer for debate, but it mostly discourages interaction; 3) The "Chair's Notice" and "Warning" practice were specifically codified in this bill as for LegComm not to abuse that.

"The Chair can edit the intent" is non-negotiable as it's a complete delusion.

Seconding provides nothing in a system where the Chair has to bring the bill to vote either way and it will still be voted on.
#30

(09-02-2022, 11:30 PM)A bee Wrote: Regardless of interactions, this motion to vote on this proposal will stand open.



Three day voting: 1) That in itself is generous given the amount of our legislators; 2) Because it takes a total of 10 days (5 day debate; 5 day vote) to amend a Constitutional law. This makes sense RL. Here, sometimes it should (and now can be) longer for debate, but it mostly discourages interaction; 3) The "Chair's Notice" and "Warning" practice were specifically codified in this bill as for LegComm not to abuse that.

"The Chair can edit the intent" is non-negotiable as it's a complete delusion.

Seconding provides nothing in a system where the Chair has to bring the bill to vote either way and it will still be voted on.

What it sounds like you're doing is you're trying to make mountains out of molehills and create issues out of a perfectly fine system that has worked for years. I think you're trying to make people (yourself) feel like you contributed the most to the GC, so you're making up issues to create this kind of thought.

Also, "it makes sense RL" is not a good excuse. RL is not NS. NS is much, much different than real life, so RL examples don't really work in specific circumstances like this. If we were rewriting the chair laws from the ground-up and needed something to base it on, then we could use an RL equivalent. But we're not.
"After he realizes this newfound power of his to override the hopes and dreams of republicans, he puts all of the united provinces under his control."
one time minister of culture

[Image: rank_trainee.min.svg] [Image: updates_lifetime_1.min.svg] [Image: detags_lifetime_2.min.svg]




Users browsing this thread:
1 Guest(s)





Theme © iAndrew 2018 Forum software by © MyBB .