I have hostility towards particularly annoying members of the Local Council, who on the whole have been poor representatives of the RMB and seem more concerned with coveting the title than anything else. The history of the LC is filled with examples of bad behavior, wannabe fiefs ruling over their fiefdom, and every now and then a respectable person who ends up leaving the LC to join the part of TSP that’s actually built for government-political simulation.

Lucky were a democratic region and when time comes November, YOU, yes you! You can vote for who you want as LC and will be a reliable governmental official! Additionally, as received in our Democratic Package, you can run for LC! Now that seems pretty cool.

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(This post was last modified: 08-23-2022, 10:33 AM by maluhia.)

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I don't see why there is such a hatred of the LC, especially since it is with the Delegate the ROs most appreciated by people, obviously because they are elected by them, and it is not because the LC seems useless or dysfunctional than it really is.

I don’t see any “hatred” for the Local Council. What we see is people who wish to keep it and people who think whatever functions it has can be discharged just fine by the regional government or by community moderators.

The LC cannot prevent spam but can at least guarantee a minimum of order in the RMB. And it's not by replacing it with "appointed mods", which will for sure be inactive and unappreciated, (because the principle of an election is that you need determined volunteers to participate, unlike appointments), that the problem would be solved.

I don’t understand why you argue that. What evidence or supporting argument, rather than guesswork or a preference towards elections, do we have to say that appointed mods would be inactive?

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I appreciate the suggestion here, but I agree with Glen that no one is going to vote to abolish this voluntarily. Like many things, if we going to fix it, we need decisive action or at least offer concrete options on how to change it.

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I appreciate the suggestion here, but I agree with Glen that no one is going to vote to abolish this voluntarily. Like many things, if we going to fix it, we need decisive action or at least offer concrete options on how to change it.

I’d vote to get rid of it, if and only if the needs of the community are meet by whatever is built to replace it. If that’s some segment of a department or ministry, that would be fine. But I’m not seeing anything. Mods are fine, they serve a purpose. But if you make it so they have to interact with the community so people trust them, you’ve just recreated them LC with a different name.

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I appreciate the suggestion here, but I agree with Glen that no one is going to vote to abolish this voluntarily. Like many things, if we going to fix it, we need decisive action or at least offer concrete options on how to change it.

I’d vote to get rid of it, if and only if the needs of the community are meet by whatever is built to replace it. If that’s some segment of a department or ministry, that would be fine. But I’m not seeing anything. Mods are fine, they serve a purpose. But if you make it so they have to interact with the community so people trust them, you’ve just recreated them LC with a different name.

I keep seeing this take floating around, but it's really wrong. There's a meaningful difference between RMB mods and the Local Council. The whole debate about the two is centered on the non-moderation aspect-- the political power, the governing force, etc. Between you and the other RMBers/LCers who've engaged in the GC so far, I'm genuinely having a hard time deciding if the line in the sand is you want to keep the name and title. Because by all things said so far, most of you consider the LC to just be RMB mods already and quite literally never talk about any other aspect.

So why did you vote against the amendment to make that explicit? I'm serious about that question, I want some accountability here. What you've just said you want is the literal thing you also just voted against. Why? It's getting very hard to believe y'all should have any say at all, because you're not being honest about your preferences.

(This post was last modified: 08-27-2022, 11:27 AM by sandaoguo.)

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