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Apad · 11-19-2014, 01:26 AM

^ you are exaggerating the legitimate points that SB and others are making.

if you want to talk about parole boards...they wheel out a convict and ask them questions about readmitting them into society. the panel also takes into account testimony from professionals, wardens, etc as to the state of mind and potential to do harm of the convict. Not to mention the fact that consideration of the victim or victims is a big part of the boards calculation on permitting parole. at least thats how it goes in the US.

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Apad · 11-19-2014, 01:30 AM

(11-19-2014, 01:08 AM)Kris Kringle Wrote: I propose that Article 7 of the Code of Laws be repealed.

im not ready to support jettisoning the parole board. i think it has its merits and most if not all civil societies have something similar. I would just like to see some changes made to the law.

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***Kris Kringle*** · 11-19-2014, 01:34 AM

What merits does it have? There is only one person convicted of any crime in this entire region. One. Given that, and considering the resistance to that person being paroled, having a Parole Board is a nothing more than waste of resources.

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TAC Saxton · 11-19-2014, 01:37 AM

Apad Wrote:consideration of the victim or victims is a big part of the boards calculation on permitting parole.

But that's the only reason HEM and co have started up these proposals. They'll do anything to make sure Milo stays out, just to keep themselves happy. They've clearly stated their opinion on Milo and that isn't going to change. But that's the point. They're putting their opinions first and the law second. Since the law "failed them" they seek to change it to suit them.

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HEM · 11-19-2014, 01:37 AM

(11-19-2014, 01:34 AM)Kris Kringle Wrote: What merits does it have? There is only one person convicted of any crime in this entire region. One. Given that, and considering the resistance to that person being paroled, having a Parole Board is a nothing more than waste of resources.

Everytime you say this it just reinforces to me that this legislation was passed with the sole intention of making sure Milograd was pardoned.

And that makes me just...sad.

Apad · 11-19-2014, 01:38 AM

The merits are, as i stated, most civil societies have this type of mechanism to readmit members into society and i think we should too. Also just because right now there is only one person doesnt mean its the last. Seeing how there is currently only one person convicted I cant see what resources are being wasted. Lets not forget that recently there was an issue with a couple of members here trying to rig elections.

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***Tsunamy*** · 11-19-2014, 01:39 AM

(11-19-2014, 01:06 AM)Kris Kringle Wrote: Tsu, I am being pragmatic here. Milograd is the only person whom the Parole Board can grant parole, and it has been made abundantly clear that he will never be accepted as a member of this region. This renders the Parole Board a useless institution. There is no point in keeping it.

I'm being snarky, but not. Just because a sentence is served and/or overturned doesn't mean the people who were wronged have to forgive the perpetrator. That doesn't render the Parole Board useless since the convicted would need to find some way to right their past wrongs in the community.

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HEM · 11-19-2014, 01:40 AM

(11-19-2014, 01:37 AM)TAC Wrote:
Apad Wrote:consideration of the victim or victims is a big part of the boards calculation on permitting parole.

But that's the only reason HEM and co have started up these proposals. They'll do anything to make sure Milo stays out, just to keep themselves happy. They've clearly stated their opinion on Milo and that isn't going to change. But that's the point. They're putting their opinions first and the law second. Since the law "failed them" they seek to change it to suit them.

Ummm excuse me? I had problems with the Parole Board before Milograd was pardoned, and many of them are documented as posts on this forum.

Your train of thought seems bizarre to me. You seem to be saying that it isn't good to learn about what is wrong with a process by seeing it in action. That is how the world identifies tons of problems within a process or institution. We watch it work and see what...well, doesn't work.

Apad · 11-19-2014, 01:41 AM

(11-19-2014, 01:37 AM)TAC Wrote:
Apad Wrote:consideration of the victim or victims is a big part of the boards calculation on permitting parole.

But that's the only reason HEM and co have started up these proposals. They'll do anything to make sure Milo stays out, just to keep themselves happy. They've clearly stated their opinion on Milo and that isn't going to change. But that's the point. They're putting their opinions first and the law second. Since the law "failed them" they seek to change it to suit them.

and how is that any different from RL victims of crimes that seek to overturn parole rulings? The opposite argument can be made as well that "friends" of Milo worked to get this system passed so they could get him reinstated thus seeking a change of the law to suit them.

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TAC Saxton · 11-19-2014, 01:42 AM

And Milo getting parole is your definition of "doesn't work"

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