At that point, you've ceded all the rhetoric about it being unfair to exclude these players from government, we might as well make it a non-binding body. The requirements to be a member of the lower house would be higher than being a member of the upper house.

Why not include the on site community when the bills the Assembly are discussing actually impact that community (using the native requirement)? And then very thing else can be polls that can be used to draw people into the forum government community, if they're interested in that.

@Unibot: Please do not tell me I'm diminishing or besmirching the character of the on site community for not being involved in the forums. I believe we are two separate communities, with their own interests and ways. Neither diminishes the other.

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I want to say, I do agree that there needs to be more a bridge between the region and the offsite government. I think something that would be incredibly helpful, would be a regular TG or dispatch that links to recent assembly topics and assembly votes but has a general preface to join the forum and become a citizen to participate. It's a community we need to reach out to if we want to continue to represent it.

If we judge by this RMB, the biggest barrier to entry for members to take part in the Assembly is the lack of awareness and the lack of guidance

http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=8067

It's almost overwhelming, and this isn't just my opinion, it's how the RMB community feels.

If our goal is to get quality participants in government, I think the answer has to be proper and consistent outreach and promotion of our offsite assembly. Just look where the quality posts have been since the announcement of the GC.

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At that point, you've ceded all the rhetoric about it being unfair to exclude these players from government, we might as well make it a non-binding body. The requirements to be a member of the lower house would be higher than being a member of the upper house.

Why not include the on site community when the bills the Assembly are discussing actually impact that community (using the native requirement)? And then very thing else can be polls that can be used to draw people into the forum government community, if they're interested in that.

Offering an "advising role" means jack and everyone knows it. No one would take it seriously and it alter nothing.

However, you do bring up a great point. Maybe we should raise the standards of citizenship on the forum, too, since they're so lax. Every nation must have a WA nation in TSP. Would that assuage your security concerns?

-tsunamy
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Every nation must have a WA nation in TSP.

As someone who does not have the option to join the WA, I could never support that.

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I want to say, I do agree that there needs to be more a bridge between the region and the offsite government. I think something that would be incredibly helpful, would be a regular TG or dispatch that links to recent assembly topics and assembly votes but has a general preface to join the forum and become a citizen to participate. It's a community we need to reach out to if we want to continue to represent it.

If we judge by this RMB, the biggest barrier to entry for members to take part in the Assembly is the lack of awareness and the lack of guidance

http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=8067

It's almost overwhelming, and this isn't just my opinion, it's how the RMB community feels.

If our goal is to get quality participants in government, I think the answer has to be proper and consistent outreach and promotion of our offsite assembly. Just look where the quality posts have been since the announcement of the GC.

This.

Tsu: How many TSP nations are in the WA?

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I want to say, I do agree that there needs to be more a bridge between the region and the offsite government.  I think something that would be incredibly helpful, would be a regular TG or dispatch that links to recent assembly topics and assembly votes but has a general preface to join the forum and become a citizen to participate.  It's a community we need to reach out to if we want to continue to represent it.

If we judge by this RMB, the biggest barrier to entry for members to take part in the Assembly is the lack of awareness and the lack of guidance

http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=8067

It's almost overwhelming, and this isn't just my opinion, it's how the RMB community feels.

If our goal is to get quality participants in government, I think the answer has to be proper and consistent outreach and promotion of our offsite assembly.  Just look where the quality posts have been since the announcement of the GC.

This.

Tsu: How many TSP nations are in the WA?

363.

And to SB's point -- we've had success with the Fellowship Programme. But the point is to offer more ways to get involved, not just continually direct nations to the forums.

-tsunamy
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So 9% of gameside nations will be allowed to vote.

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With such a ridiculous standard for citizenship, we would lose a lot of people, including our very own MoFA. Why not make the final push and approve belschafts "split loyalties" idea while your at it?

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Then, once everyone is a zombie, we all starve and Serling dies. A perfect end to a doomed city.
Zombie61: /Rename Animefan666 to The-Brain.
Animefan666: So, now that we've established that I am Brain, who will be my not so brainy sidekick Pinky?

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So 9% of gameside nations will be allowed to vote.

That's better than the ... one percent we have now?

-tsunamy
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With such a ridiculous standard for citizenship, we would lose a lot of people, including our very own MoFA. Why not make the final push and approve belschafts "split loyalties" idea while your at it?

I was being sarcastic, but thanks for illustrating my point. Everyone wants to discuss the "security issues," but also to ignore them when convenient. Let's get some consistency here.

Under the current proposal -- even with WA and native support -- people could vote on the RMB, on the offsite or on both.

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