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(01-17-2015, 06:48 AM)Belschaft Wrote: As you well know any resident can become a citizen with ease, considering we maintain the lowest barriers to entry in NS. As such your criticism is farcical. Yet you seem to miss the point that that low barrier is something that many object to - Personally I maintain "citizenship" here under protest, basically being forced to play by your (collective) rules to have a say how a region that I am already a citizen of (without the forums approval) is governed. However I would be interested to hear why you believe how giving Regionalites self-determination is anarchy? By yours and others persistent instance that The Coalitions Way is The Only Way you step further down the path to tyranny, and serve only to bolster the perception that TSP is in the hands of an Oligarchy
I stand by the argument that if players are committed to the region/interested in partaking in regional politics, they would, at some point, sign up on these forums and eventually apply for citizenship. Extending the vote to the region allows any Tom, Dick or Harry to vote.
Of course, some players are mature enough to consider the implications of their vote, but since NS does not have an age limit, basically any 10 or 12-year old can vote in these polls, which is becoming more prevalent as technology advances and time goes on. That is not to say, however that all 10 or 12-year olds are immature trolls on the Internet, neither is it to say that all 18 year-olds voting in elections here in TSP or their respective legislatures IRL are politically informed. It is only to say that giving the vote to citizens on the forums provides more of a security/common-sense mandate, that they know to some extent what they are doing, for lack of a better word. Extending the right to vote to the wider on-site region is not a right, it's a privilege. However, we must remain progressive, and if the rest of the region, through polls from the MoRA, have been inclined to have polls on the RMB, then so be it. I'm not strictly opposed to the bicameral legislature idea or the idea of a Senate as in this proposal, just somewhat skeptical if it will work, and as Kris mentioned, I share the worry that the Senate will become an all-powerful institution.
Maybe it's time to work on terminology. If we called everyone in the region a "citizen", and those that come here and register to vote, "registered voters" there would be less confusions.
I tend to agree with Awe (or at least what I think Awe is saying..). Joining the forum is akin to registering to vote. Refusing to register to vote "under protest" or whatever other rhetorical nonsense does not mean you are oppressed. It means you are unwillingly to be apart of a process that is perfectly open to you.
I have no problem with taking movements to get the gameside population more involved and hear their voices. I am, however, opposed to trying to rebuild our region around a small (but vocal) percent of the population that insists they need to be involved in the running of the region, but refuse to participate in the open institutions that...run the region.
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Actually I think we're the small percent of the population, HEM.
 Polling indicates there's a much wider support in the region for democratizing TSP beyond the forum.
(01-18-2015, 05:07 PM)Unibot Wrote: Actually I think we're the small percent of the population, HEM. There is an institution in place for all people, with no limitations, to have a voice in government. If people don't want to join that institution, it isn't my responsibility to change the underpinnings of our region for their leisure. I am more than happy to have public debates and non binding polls on the gameside. I am more than happy to hear feedback from nations who have thoughts or ideas for the region. This, however, is a change to accommodate those who lack the drive to participate in a full democracy that already exists.
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(01-18-2015, 05:14 PM)HEM Wrote:(01-18-2015, 05:07 PM)Unibot Wrote: Actually I think we're the small percent of the population, HEM. I said this plenty of times. Also, welcome back HEM  (01-18-2015, 05:07 PM)Unibot Wrote: Actually I think we're the small percent of the population, HEM. You couldn't be further from the truth. Given the lack of interest on the RMB and the latest poll numbers. Isn't it strange how the poll numbers double when it involves non-government related topics?
I think voting numbers would be at least slightly better if the poll description was improved for the votes held to date. Asking someone to vote on an amendment to an article of the charter out of the blue with no previous mentions is going to confuse a lot of people. I would be interested to see numbers on a poll which at least explained what was being amended (briefly) without having to follow a link, or even more so on something that had been debated on the rmb. Might be much the same, might not.
(01-18-2015, 06:46 PM)Aramanchovia Wrote: I think voting numbers would be at least slightly better if the poll description was improved for the votes held to date. Asking someone to vote on an amendment to an article of the charter out of the blue with no previous mentions is going to confuse a lot of people. I would be interested to see numbers on a poll which at least explained what was being amended (briefly) without having to follow a link, or even more so on something that had been debated on the rmb. Might be much the same, might not. Well, yeah, seeing as all the information given when a change is to be made is given on the forums.
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