| Poll: Please identify your preferred Regional and Military alignment/identification You do not have permission to vote in this poll. |
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| Regional: Defender | 2 | 4.08% | |
| Regional: Raider | 0 | 0% | |
| Regional: Independent | 8 | 16.33% | |
| Regional: Imperialist | 0 | 0% | |
| Regional: Non-Aligned (independent) | 14 | 28.57% | |
| Military: Defender | 2 | 4.08% | |
| Military: Raider | 0 | 0% | |
| Military: Independent | 7 | 14.29% | |
| Military: Imperialist | 1 | 2.04% | |
| Military: Non-Aligned (independent) | 15 | 30.61% | |
| Total | 49 vote(s) | 100% | |
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(01-27-2015, 05:55 PM)Escade Wrote: Honestly, based on the debates and discussions we had "Independent" was really construed to be "what the imperialists want" or "aligned to a side but pretending not to be aligned" which is why I still find it to be horrible.This is not accurate. Defenders want Independence to be understood as some kind of lap-dog situation, but it's not. Independence allows regions to use their militaries to meet foreign policy goals, whether raiding or defending. It would be possible to have a largely defending Independent region, there just aren't any, probably because of how defenders have tried to paint the ideology within their own circles. My preference is for Independent or non-aligned, which are practically the same.
(01-28-2015, 10:00 PM)Sopo Wrote: This is not accurate. Defenders want Independence to be understood as some kind of lap-dog situation, but it's not. Independence allows regions to use their militaries to meet foreign policy goals, whether raiding or defending. It would be possible to have a largely defending Independent region, there just aren't any, probably because of how defenders have tried to paint the ideology within their own circles. Sorry Sopo, but TSP's latest experience with Independence suggests otherwise. Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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There aren't any "largely defending Independent regions" out there because the existing Independent powers don't like it when other Independent regions defend more than they raid. That's what Kris is alluding to in his post.
Defenders, like myself and Unibot, didn't just one day get together and decide that Independence in itself was bad and needed to be advocated against. We saw that it led to raiding in practice, and thus was a misleading position being peddled around by regions that were anti-defender and mostly raided. In fact, our Independent-imperialist allies told us explicitly that defending isn't ever in the interests of an Independent region, except in very rare circumstances. If it had ever been the case that Independent regions actually defended with any regularity, I wouldn't have been totally against it.
I'm not going to wade into this linguistic debate, but can we revisit an imperialist SP? I think our wrath influence needs to be felt far and wide.
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 Sorry, Sopo, Kris already said it but when TSP was "faux indepedent" or "non-aligned," our imperialist allies were acting like they were the ones who would tell us what to do and made it seem like defenders were some abominable horror. Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest
Defenders are an abominable horror
I should know, I was one for years
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*shrug*
I'll back Tsu's proposal to become Imperialist. Has there been a real "imperialist" GCR before?
Osiris was an attempt at it early in their history of the OFO, had the military been active then... yes. I had a list of regions I wanted, and the Legion would have gone shopping. Our largest target was betrayed by George Holland, which later fell to TBR. They had supported Gatesville in the war, and I wanted to see them burn.
I'm sure I have the lists somewhere, but no matter. It's things like the above that makes it so amusing that recent alignment test had me at 100% Defenderist. I'm clearly far from it.
I always thought it would be interesting if we tried to incorporate South Pacific into our region somehow. Not by force, because it is a pretty vibrant community, but I think it could be in both of our interests to make some sort of alliance.
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